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My kid is 12, and is being indoctrinated into the Lutheran branch of Christianity by his Mom. “Dad, if you’re not a Christian, what are you?” I don’t have a label for it. But to let him know what I believe, I wrote it down…
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The 1st Time Traveler: a gOd-clOck histOry Of the universe
History Of The Universe With A Local Emphasis On Earth
I’ve been doing a little research over the past few decades and came up with this timeline, for any interested in their cosmic heritage.
Using Earth-based nomenclature, I resort to the terms God, Big Bang and Evolution for simplification. I have my own names for them unburdened by cultural biases and more accurately attuned, but let’s not get complicated.
The Constant is my term for what would scientifically be referred to as the quantum foam from which all energy and matter differentiate and arise.
I use the term Time Traveling only as a means to convey the fact that God can, once omnipotent, be anywhere Thee wants to be.
To compare the scale of time for this story, units we can relate to such as seconds, minutes and hours will be used instead on such esoteric units as trillionths of a nanosecond. The whole story will be told in a 12-hour period, from Noon to Midnight.
Here, then, is a brief History Of The Universe.
Noon: 12:00:00
The collapse of a previous universe* (see 11:59:58) reduces space to a superheated pinpoint.
12:00:01
A Big Bang splits energy and matter.
12:00:10
Energy and matter re-converge making quarks, atoms, molecules and elements.
12:05:00
Evolution develops God.
12:07:00
God thinks – “I am” – becoming aware of Thyself.
12:12:30
God creates galaxies, stars and planets from the raw elements.
3:00:00
God becomes life forms. All of known history, the present, and the near future. Our total known history, from dinosaur to spaceman, takes place between 3pm and 6pm. “Evil” is now explained. An evolving God required all experiences possible to gain omniscience.
6:00:00
God achieves Omniscience – awareness of everything.
7:00:00
God assimilates the accumulated knowledge of all life forms, aka Heaven/Hell.
Our time in Heaven or Hell extends from 7pm to 9pm. Where will you be between 7 and 9?
9:00:00
God achieves Omnipotence – power over everything.
9:15:00
God reaches across all of Time to rectify suffering and neutralize acts of evil.
11:53:55
God’s Time Traveling activity shortens history to a simple moment of creation. Apparently, God’s rectifications in the last 6 minutes and 3 seconds right up to 11:59:58 alter history, reducing it to a Garden of Eden with nowhere left to go.
*11:59:58
The remaining universe crumbles upon God and comes to an end in fire. Please note the mysterious “moment” of destruction / creation in the last 2 seconds before midnight. This is how long it takes the quantum foam to resettle.
Midnight: 12:00:00
The Constant, that foam of energized matter underlying All, reassembles.
The rest is detail. As you can see, our present manifestation is but a small part of the overall structure of Time. God is a process rather than The Constant underlying Thine. Yet The Constant remains. Indeed, we are God in the making.
In the corridors of existence, that Constant quantum foam might stay dormant for the next 12 hours, as long as it took all of the former universe to be. Only after truly timeless eons might a superheated pinpoint release a Bang once more.
So let’s enjoy our remaining portion of this time together on Earth. I’d say it’s around 4:20 right now.
- OO –
i’d be curious to know how a 12 yr old reacts to that.
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I have tried explaining it verbally but I’ve never showed him this. Not yet. I’ll let you know!
Why? What are you thinking? He’s remarkably good at abstract thinking. You should hear him rattle off the mystical powers of Naruto.
O
i’m thinking it’s a long long distance between your ideas and those of his mom.
and for some reason, ninjas and 12 yr olds just “get” each other. it’s one of the mysteries of the universe.
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Yeah, secret, our ideas are pretty different – which might partially explain the divorce!!!
I can’t believe I actually married a Republican lawyer in the first place.
O
mOOn….LOL….love your last comment…..because i think the same of my ex husband……i cant believe i actually married a Republican …:-D
I believe this theory is perfectly understandable by a 12…actually i will make my own daughter (13) reading this…highly curious to see her reaction…
See, she goes to church with her father when she is with him…..
I am only concerned about the 12 hours….can you make it lasting longer? 24 hrs at least? And you talk about a previous universe…any theory about that one?
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wOw ginger – are we living parallel lives???
I think, somehow, that in the previous universe there were no Republicans. Or no organized religion. Or something cOOl like that.
I don’t think kids should be exposed to religion. That’s an adult decision, as far as I’m concerned. It’s inaccurate to state that without early exposure to religion a spirituality doesn’t develop. All that a child can do is accept what their elders tell them. That’s brainwashing when applied to religion, because clearly religion, like politics, is ultimately a matter of personal choice.
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I used to hate to have to go to Sunday school and church because I thought that the paintings were depressing and morbid and waaaaaay tooo serious lol >>> but not sure how I’d take to hearing that I’m God myself??!!!!? Hmmmmm. As a kid, I mean. That’s hard enough for me to believe as an adult. Wouldn’t we be aware of this?? But now I’m recalling The Book by Alan Watts where he talks about the Game of Hide & Seek, where God is hiding from himself and seeking himself through us. This is sort of the same idea, I suppose. There’s just something people don’t like about thinking themselves to be God, though. Maybe it doesn’t give us anyone else to blame or take ultimate responsibility??? Nice post!!
mOOn…..i give you another example that its higly possible we live parallel lives….lol…
I used the term ‘brainwashed’ in Beyond post about being an agnostic…i used it referring to the nuns of the private Catholic school that got me under their spell for 6 years during the whole elementary school….you can say the most delicate and impressionable years, right?
So you can imagine how much i have been molded and shaped and blessed with liters of holy water ……still……i am a living example that, even though heavily exposed to religion, once a kid grows up there is always the possibility that they will leave the usual path…and choose to go in opposite direction.
I did it……cold turkey…..glam bam thank you mam…..i left that path at 13 and never went back….
But i do agree with you that religion is a personal choice.
But, again, we are what we are beacuse shaped by what we come from….. its how we evolve from what we have been that makes us who we really are now…..so being us God gives us yes freedom to choose but also blame for choosing badly and leavign us with no one to blame expect ourselves…how many people can take this?
Parallel enough?….lol…
That doesn’t make a real lot of sense. It is not rational. A universe has no need for a god. A god might have use for a universe but it is unlikely.
There is no proof there was a big bang to begin with. All of this is pure mumbo jumbo……
I beg you return to your notes and try again. Perhaps you dropped a page. Have a look on the floor under your desk……..
BTW…. matter and energy are one and the same, and there is no such thing as good and evil in terms of the space-time continuum.
AMEN.
I just wrote something like this on beyond’s post (although not nearly as succinctly or eloquently or even as well thought out). I love pondering these questions.
Pieter: My interpretation of what he’s saying here is that a god would have a use for a universe, and that’s why it gets created in the first place. One theory I heard recently, that resonates with me, is that we all (not just humans, but all forms, animal, mineral, vegetable, etc.) have a spark of the divine in us, and our purpose is to communicate information to that divine entity (which is an energy, just like we are), and eventually reunite with that entity when we’ve achieved a high enough vibrational level, not to reconstruct that entity exactly as it was, but to make it better… a new and improved version, if you will.
As far as good and evil, those are man made terms, and I think mOOn’s way of explaining a purpose for how we perceive the polarity that exists in all things makes perfect sense. The time-space continuum, in my opinion, is just an illusion that exists only in this universe (as is matter), which is one of many in the multiverse. But that’s all just a theory. None of us really know, do we?
Oh no you don’t….. If the universe creates a god because it has a role to play there in, then you need a god to create the universe. You cannot have it both ways. You can’t say that the universe is created spontaneously from the megaverse or multiverse because then nothing has been created. The universe would then simply be an extention of the larger existence. That is, the universe is the product of a parent universe (and possibly so on and on….). That is not creation but continuation.
If you say the universe does just pop into reality from nothing (no multiverse) and there was no need for a god to bring it about, then you will not produce gods within that universe unless the nature of that god is extremely limited. That god would not be omnipitent, for example. Where was it before it “evolved”? That god obviously is not all powerful since he cannot even create a universe. I presume when the universe ends then so would that god, since it is subject to the rules of existence. He must follow the laws of physics – as it were.
No – sorry…. Either god is there… at the time when there is nothing but god… or not at all.
However, we are assuming in these cases that there was a beginning and that there will be an end. I assume no such thing. The universe may have always existed and will always do so. Then there is no need for creation and thus no need for a god.
As for our quest to make the stuff of which we are made better…. If we are all part of the divine energy then we are also divine and therefore by definition are already perfect. You cannot improve on perfection.
Again…. you need to look for the piece of paper under the desk. I promise you, it is there. It has the answer on it. I’m pretty sure.
Either that or it is blank…. which means we have to start all over again. D’oh!!!
I was a bit vague in my first paragraph (above). I mean to say that you can’t create a universe with physics and then develop gods who then create the rest of the place. That makes no sense at all. Either you have gods to create to whole lot, or none of it.
Such a god would not fit the description of what a god is. A god is all powerful and all knowing. A god must therefore always exist before anything else. A god would therefore exist where nothing else exists. Is that possible. If there is nothing can sometihing exist in it?
Do you see a problem here????
O
I see the problem, Pie. You know that God can’t exist where nothing else does. By definition, “God” (as popularly conceived) is omniscient and omnipotent. There is no reason why God has to start out that way. Hence, later on, the “Time Traveling” aspect. If God evolves like everything else does, physics can result in a full blown universe (in this case nothing is being “created” – it always exists as the quantum foam minimally at the very least) that leads to an initial intelligence. That intelligence begins to act on that which it observes – or interacts with – thus changing it through that interaction (Bohm). Given long enough, intelligent design could well begin to influence the universe. But from there, under these conditions, God itself is also within and of the universe and ultimately subject to disintegration and collapse. If this doesn’t fit the “Hallmark” definition of God, neither does a lot of the behavior attributed to the God of the Old Testament. But who, after all, can call any entity capable of shaping galaxies and stars and planets anything less than a God?
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Oh, also – you seem to imply that a lesser thing (the universe) cannot result in a greater thing (God), yet that is sometimes the very consequence of evolution, and there is a word for that which is greater than the sum of its parts – synergy. God could be a synergistic result of universal components capable of rising above the “laws” of physics. Then It just might save the universe from cyclic destruction – or send it there even faster for recycling.
O
I will read your posts again but only if you read mine again. Either you have not understood me or the reverse.
I am not saying a universe cannot be created by god. I am saying a universe would not give rise to a god. That would not make sense unless we redefine what god is. We must speak of the god in the traditional sense. That is one that is “all that” (so to speak). God can do anything – by definition. God can even exist in paradox. He can be and not be simultaneously no matter how much we don’t like it. However I would argue that that is in fact “being” at all times albeit not apparent to us or to god himeself (excuse the masculine anthromorphication of god). If god can exist and not exist before, during or after the universe had been created then I defy god and claim he exists now and that he existed at all those times – whether he likes it or not. (get back in that quantum world god!!!)
I further challenge god and say that I am prepared to accept a paradox for only a very short time before I lose my mortal patience…. I will not tolerate a god who is strong enough to lift a rock so big which he created to be the rock not even god can lift. In other words, can he make a rock so heavy not even he can lift it? Uh oh………..
Can god destroy himself. Can anything else destroy him?
How long did god sit around waiting to get to get bored with nothingness I wonder? What inspired god to suddenly bring existence into being? Or did he merely extend himself so that he became manifest in the universe. Then god and the universe are one and the same. If that is true then all this discussion is moot. None of this matters since then the whole damn thing has always existed and always will. No beginning – no end. If that is true then I see no need for a god. Therefore that makes no sense either.
Frankly I do not believe that god is intelligent. That is a human quality. It is not rational. My image of a god is that he simply is. God does not “do”. He “is”. He does not create nor destroy. He is the stuff and that’s it.
Perhaps god could do anything but he doesn’t. He was supposed to have said “I am”. He did not say “I do” or “I will do – later when I feel like it”.
Anyway…. I need coffee now. God no longer makes my coffee for me. Bye. kissy kissy…..
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Yes…yes, we ARE redifining “God.” That’s why I’m not a Christian, etc.
Let’s not nitpick over the term “intelligence.” Although God’s IQ would be off the scale even by MY assessment. Matter and energy – the stuff and the fluff – is indeed one thing in at least two forms. That’s why it might even make sense that half of God was dormant and the other half active, the active acting upon the dormant.
I’ve been reading these posts at work so in the midst of this day (involving a real weirdo who went ballistic and got loud and threatening with everyone before making a dramatic exit) I may have misread or missed something, I do intend to peruse this again in awhile…just got off.
But yes, exactly I’m redefining God and I think that God has 3 manifestations simultaneously, under my theory. Hang on…
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I sounds like you have one of those toxic sociopathic lunatics at your work place. You know you are duty bound to destroy them. They will make life at work a misery until one of you is dead or fired.
You clearly have no option but to play god and kill the evil prick.
I shall leave you to your plotting and scheming. (muhahaha…etc.)
Toodles…… kissy kissy. Piet.
O
…[continued]…okay, 3 manifestations simulataneously.
One – The New God, who eventually becomes Omniscient and Omnipotent, but who has created galaxies, stars and planets before achieving such heights, thus is imperfect but powerful…
Two – The Omniscient God – the inventor / realm of Heaven + Hell, the afterlife overseer, the Judge who knows everything and puts your personality where it belongs…
Three – The Omnipotent God – The Time Traveler who interacts with Its own prior forms, as if you could visit your childhood self and co-exist simultaneously. There’s no paradox here. God is now Omnipotent and can do whatever It wants.
I’m wondering if it might even be so that when Omnipotent God meets New God, life forms witnessing the spectacle may think that New God is The Devil.
The perfection attributed to God may be our greatest mistake. You don’t have to be perfect to come across as all-powerful. I suggest the possibility that any God who can DO anything as well as KNOWS everything is going to eventually come to a dead halt – all alone.
To be all-powerful is to be ultimately powerless.
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Okay Pie, later – and yes, that guy was over the top – not the norm, or God knows (pun intended) I’d quit.
O
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Oh, Pie, one more thing. Notice that even when “God” is offline, we have that which I call The Constant. There’s no such thing as nothing.
O
You are toying with god. How dare you!!!!
Make up your mind – would you. Either god is the classic “I can do anything” god or nothing. The rest are not gods but very very clever (and probably naughty) boys with too much time on their hands. What do you think the universe is? America????
Get out of it you weirdo….. I reject your reality utterly.
BTW Nothing cannot be – but only for the time being……
Now leave me alone….. Judge Judy is on.
Heh heh——–I get it. It’s 4:20. ><><><>< Heh. Hrmph.
???
No… It is 7:39PM on Thursday
Australian eastern standard time
Four…twenty….four twenty…..4:20 (it’s a counter-cultural reference – am I the only one who knows this?>
No… It is 7:18PM on Friday
Australian eastern standard time
You’re stuck in that time loop again. Dammnit Virgil, must you play with that damn contraption? Last time I had to tell you 446 times before you realised it….. <sigh>
447…but who’s counting? ppppfffffffffffffffffffffffffftt.
If you had been counting properly you’d know it is now at 1128……
on the tone it will be 7:41PM precisely – Saturday
Australian eastern standard time
well I find it intriguing that the stone master is the one who mentioned 4:20.
Anyways, this would have been nice to have at the beginning of my Philosophy of Religions class last semester.
And even if we look at it this way, people will STILL debate….is God the chicken or the egg, and which one came first?
Very interesting post! You posted this on my blog for me to read, and I hope other readers who venture there will venture here.
O
A murder, and every reporter on the scene – blonde, pretty, using their looks to get ahead, complaining about having to do five live feeds in one day – is like the victim. Like my first GF
O
I found out yesterday when I was turning the corner down the street to my place. The networks and local news had their super-antennae vans lining the street, cameras and microphones everywhere. Two theories struck me simultaneously: celebrity sighting or murder. Or maybe both!
Then for a second I wondered if I had been found out and they were all waiting for – me?
No, it was not yet my time. It was hers. Curious, I approached one news crew and a portly lighting guy was more than happy to tell me what was going on, but warned me “You aren’t gonna like it.”
“I can take it. I watched my kid get born and cut the damn cord. The doctor who delivered told me that if I could take that, I could take anything.”
“One of the neighbors asked me,” he warned, “and I told her and she got real upset. Real upset.”
“You’re good,” I smiled. “Stop teasing.”
“A woman was murdered. They found her [CENSORED] and she lived up there,” he said, pointing to an apartment.
A woman was murdered, not yet a week ago, across the street.
I felt nothing.
Once, I wanted my grandma to die. There was a time.
Everything else was new. Freedom on the highway, freedom on a beautiful girl’s body.
And now that she’s been gone for ever so long I miss her and I’m almost her myself. My grandma.
“Why don’t you just die?” I wondered inside as she would live on and on against every chance or reason to perish. I couldn’t be free, really free, truly free until she was gone.
Or could I?
But when she died I wanted her back. And I wept.
The hundredth time a story’s told I’ve heard it all before. We talk in circles. Nag in circles, haunt in circles. She needed me and no, I could not leave.
Always threatening to die. Stop teasing me!
Everything else is new. Her hair. Her lips. The world. Only you are old.
A damned helicopter circles the area just up the street for about 20 minutes, round and round, shining its beam on something. Can’t the fuckers hover? Around and around and around in circles and finally it just flies away.
Then a cop drives down the street.
My kid gave me a sword for my last birthday. A real sword, with a sheathe and a belt. I put it on tonight when I went for a walk. Covered it with my jacket, all except for the end of the sheathed blade, and drew it out with a “shiiiing” a few times for rehearsal.
Last year, an old man was murdered in the street on a simple nightly stroll, about a mile away. Now this. And for the old man, at least I walked by the scene, I looked around, I wondered, I felt for him.
Perhaps it’s the nature of the victim. Immediately the TV worker disclosed tonight’s victim’s stature as a woman who used her looks to get ahead, and the chief suspect as a likely predator akin to a memorable serial killer from a few years back…
Yeah, she asked for it, didn’t she? Predators gotta have prey…
Was it simply youth that shielded me from a harsh reality until I was in my mid-twenties? There are killers among us.
I found out when I moved to my first really BIG city. Back home, a murder a month was big news. But in the Big City, a murder a day was TBX (to be expected).
Ultimately that’s bugging me. I take murder as a fact of life.
Tonight a van is looking for someone. It even follows me down the street, then comes around the block and the driver, a stunned looking fellow, stares at my backlit silhouette for a long minute while I stare mysteriously back wondering “What the hell do you want?” He drives away, but I spy him circling the block several times…
My cat is nervous.
My kid suddenly got sick tonight. Stomach upset. Unusual. I ate everything he ate. Did everything with him all day. He’d been eager to see the TV show that was just starting when he had to excuse himself! My kid is rarely sick.
Quiet across the street later on. Down to one news van, then it pulls away. All the neighbors who wanted to be interviewed have had their moment.
I never saw her. At least, not that I remember. I think I would remember her. But there are so many. Even every reporter on the scene – blonde, pretty, using their looks to get ahead, complaining about having to do five live feeds in one day – was like the victim. Like my first girl.
I would’ve done something to save her if I could have. Whether she deserved it or not. My neighbors who know me know I’m an action figure.
Which doesn’t mean much to a ghost.
I’m sorry for the jokes, for being flip – I’m sorry, and I know you didn’t deserve this.
Now rest. Everything should be okay for you from now on. Eternally young.
But for me? I am old. And past a thousand kisses, a thousand fucks, and a thousand fights. And I have a son of my own.
Does he wonder “Why do you live?” Will he be free only when I am gone?
Do we live in circles?
Oh, I loved. Loved warmly. Yet something changed, and the world was new…
Waking up 24,999 times is routine, but on my twenty-five thousandth morn, will he wonder…
“Why don’t you die?”
- OO
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this was brilliant.
and i can relate to every single word-
heh – is this what you’re talking about? I like to follow these things….
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – California authorities on Thursday charged a reality TV star with murder in the death of a pin-up model, as they continued a manhunt for him begun soon after the woman’s body was found stuffed in a suitcase.
Police suspect Ryan Alexander Jenkins, 32, may have fled the state and gone home to Canada after model Jasmine Fiore’s body was found in the Southern California town of Buena Park.
Jenkins appeared in the television show “Megan Wants A Millionaire“ on VH1, which premiered after completing production in March. But the cable network said it has suspended future airings because of Fiore’s death.
The body of Fiore, who was strangled, was found on Saturday inside a suitcase in a trash container.
Police initially said they simply wanted to talk to Jenkins, who had been in a relationship with Fiore, but after they were unable to track him down, authorities on Thursday revealed that they had charged him with murder
i feel like I just read a novel……………………
literally
this gave me chills
anybody else see the show that guy was on? i told people he gave me the fuckin creeps
damn i had a feel for that creep, the way he slimed up to her i am not at all supprised at this developement
and this fool had money too
Yes, i read that news too…..about the pin-up murder….
But your story, mOOnie, is a lot better…
Resenting the lingering presence of sickly dependent
is common, even to the point of secretly wishing that person
to be gone forever.
Is that a will to murder, poking its head out of the shadow chambers
of our minds?
Fascinating.
Isn’t the killer in every one of us?
Interesting….abstract
O
secret – then you know the weirdness of wishing death on someone you love…brrrr
somethin – yes, this is the exact case, in fact…I was leaving out the “found chopped up in a suitcase” part…but WTF…
student – I wonder why?
des – do you have those sexy kind of goosebumps?
unique1 – money is no insurance of satisfaction – the guy may have been a misogynist…
ginger – thanks, an unusual take on things for sure, mixed with my own pre-conceptions about death and causing it…
Hole – it’s all part of our acceptance of death. Why do we believe that we must die? Simply because everyone else apparently has or will? I might be the exception. Or you might. After all, we’re still alive…
TUE – I’m afraid so.
D6 – but quite concrete (and across the street)
O
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>….your post has induced late-night paranoia<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
and the guy Jenkins killed himself – or – or did he? is there a suspect on the loose?? is it — YOU??
I’ve read about some horrific crimes in my time…..used to collect those
True Crime magazines….
Now Jenkins mother is in disbelief that her “little boy” could do such a thing….
Trying to protect him even now…. It’s the quiet ones, or the “normal” ones, isn’t it….frightening how many of those types are among us
Probably you, for instance…. nice and normal until one day when the savage
is poked
And when it’s all done – and too late to reverse time – you’re shocked, you’re stunned, you’re scared and you watch yourself cutting off fingers and
yanking out teeth
and stuffing someone you loved into a suitcase
and dying inside yourself.
Eerie………..eerie indeed……
Bizarre turn
of events……….
Did you get interviewed mOOn?
O
No, student. I did not have anything to say.
O
Fascinating….this touches an intimate private part in all of us that is down at the primitive level…survival instincts gone awry…. kept under control most of the time until one day….
Pop culture writers who populate the halls of “time travel” books and articles continue to promote the idea that there are such things as “Time Barriers” and “The Past” and “The Future,” places we might be able to “visit.”
Usually, in these scenarios, there’s only a little more time to wait – maybe a century or two – before we can use some “wormholes” or “transporters” to start sending interlopers to and fro.
It all makes for some good fiction and pulp science, but will it ever happen? And why does it fascinate us so?
The actual experiences that we seek through the concept of “time travel” (a term as outdated as “flat Earth”) seem to be:
Being at what happened…>Visiting History<
Being at what will happen…>Discovering Destiny<
Being at what might have been…>Revealing Unknown Past<
Being at what might be…>Exploring Unimagined Future<
Being at what never was…>Changing History<
Being at what never can be…>Changing Nature<
While the psychological experience of these achievements may be possible and even authentic enough to seem subjectively real through technology -
And even though mathematical examples of time loops are real -
- There is no proof that “The Past” exists. Only that it “existed.”
- No future has yet materialized and even “now” is in the past as it takes light and sound a measurable “time” to reach my brain even bouncing off of my own hands.
There’s the trouble. And it’s significant. Time travelers have nowhere to go.
At least not yet, black holes be damned.
Time travel without paradox.
The idea of being able to run around history like a jogger runs around
a track has always been fraught with the obvious loopholes.
What if you go back and kill your Granddad when he was a kid?
How could you then be born, grow up and live to go back in time
and kill Granddad?
If time travel is possible, then where are all the time travelers? We
can’t be SO boring that NO ONE ever comes back to catch some of
our act… OR can we?
If I nuke the founding fathers in 1776, and the United States is never
launched out of beta mode, how will I recognize anything of the
world I return to? And who there will remember me?
The answer to the Granddad Paradox, as well as the 1776 Massacre,
may be that it simply is not possible to return to the present – that is,
you can’t fast-forward into the future. So kill Granddad, but you’ll
likely end up prosecuted for murder and considered a lunatic, too. There
are many possible answers, all of which indicate that by killing Granddad
you’ll never know the full consequences. If you can change the past, so
might – and will -others. This makes any result temporary.
And as for the interest of future generations in us, that might depend
on just how long from now time travel develops. For example, this
is the 21st Century. Suppose this is just the beginning of human
history and time travel isn’t achieved until the 1,953rd Century? Not
counting the eras B.C., that’s 1,952 centuries to explore. Do we really
stand out in this crowd, or will we be explored by a relative handful
of the curious?
And what if such time travel only works on the organic subject and
not on his clothes, tools, weapons or medicines? An ordinary appearing
human claiming to be from “the future” with no evidence save his
brain would swiftly be labeled either “looney” or “psychic” (for
predicting major events). There are plenty of these fellows – maybe we
should heed them carefully instead of looking away and dismissing
them.
And what would it benefit such a stranded voyager to ‘fess up?
Time travel may be a one-way journey.
Original Comments
hey now hold on buster!!!!!!!!! what exactly of mine is checkered then huh?
Here’s a perceptual paradox:
One day I was walking down the street when a block away I saw a gorgeous young blonde walking towards me in a bright yellow minidress.
When she was 2/3rds of a block away she had aged into a thirtysomething in a slightly more conservative yellow dress.
When she was halfway down the block from me she was in her fifties in a rather unappealing yellow dress.
When we finally passed each other, she had turned into this white-haired old hag in a frumpy, horrid yellow dress and shoes that didn’t match.
Did I see the light she radiated from far away? Or did I see what I wanted to see when I couldn’t see her clearly?
We dream of times past and future when what we really ought to be doing is studying the way things are moving in this moment. Is what we see really as it is, or as we want to see it?
Great post!
time traveling hurts me noggin’
Man I really hate time travel. Think of all the atoms, the microbes, the particles, the winds, the dew drops, the bugs, the blinks, the sighs, the coughs, the sneezes that make up any given single MOMENT of existence in a single location and HOW CAN THAT be frozen some place where you can just step right in sync and become a NEW part of it??????? Sorry for the run-ons but this drives me nuts vbecause it’s so ridiculous no matter what some skeletor in a talking wheel-chair has to say to sell more books to the general public.
StoneMaster
Don’t ruin Back To The Future for the next generation, dude….
I think it’s been figured out that time is an illusion…
Can you travel through an illusion?
But what if the very illusionary nature of time is an indicator of why mOOn_platOOn’ speculative psychological and subjective achievement may be as real as reality gets? If consciousness is the foundation of reality, then we may not need “machines” or “vehicles” to move us into active past and future situations. More problematic than getting there is the trouble of being there and interacting with familiar situations and people who don’t know us and might kill us as “witches.”
Where are they all? The time travelers I mean?
WOuld they come back through time and take advanatage of us?
I think I may have been violation by a time traveler who seduce me unwillingly – very strange…
somethingunUSual said on Jan 22, OO….
oh yeah, now here’;s a good reason to develop the complicated technology of time travel and harness all the energy it takes to get back and have sex with sheemAfeM! Yeeeeeeeaaahhhhh!!!!! makes sense to me.
GracefullyGrowing said on Jan 22, OO….
How strange. My Wednesday Wonders post was going to be about time travel this week.
Interesting post.
~Grace~
mOOn_platOOn said on Jan 22, OO….
Yes, Grace, I just got back from two weeks from now where that post of yours will be so popular that I decided to post one of my own upon my return this morning. Sorry about that. But that must mean that you are going to post it anyway. I look forward to reading it…again.
GracefullyGrowing said on Jan 22, OO….
LOL Cosmo. So, do tell…. WHO WINS THE SUPERBOWL?????
~Grace~
mOOn_platOOn said on Jan 22, OO….
Shit! I knew I forgot something!
mOOn_platOOn said on Jan 22, OO….
Here’s my theory: you have to “travel” through space to traverse time, and you have to “travel” through time to cross any real distance in space.
I swear to you, this makes sense if you have the time to think about it.
If we can move fast enough in spaceships to exceed the speed of light, we’ll gain infinite mass and be outside the boundaries of “time” as we know it. We will then be able to reach “down” into any time that has ever or can ever exist.
lfbno7 said on Jan 22, OO….
On a tangent, I believe in an afterlife, and I believe that there is a library there that contains all of our history, a library where you can open the “book” and experience the events as an onlooker without influencing them.
polarheart said on Jan 23, OO….
I travel time all the time here at SC 
hotaka said on Jan 23, OO….
I think mOOn_platOOn has a good point. It is easy to imagine if you think of the 2D grid where time lines flow one way and space flows perpendicular to the time lines. If moving through space gets you along in time, then moving through time must get you along in space. I figure if you could time travel you would remain in the same point in the universe, meaning once you stopped traveling the earth would have moved away during its revolution around the sun, the solar system would have moved away as the Arm of Orion spins around the edge of the galaxy, and the galaxy would have moved on a bit too as it travels with the expansion of the universe.
What I always wondered was about how light and time are related to physical matter. It’s like if you can travel faster than light then you can outpace time. That’s fine if you are leaving a point such as Earth and trying to get ahead of your own light emmitted at take-off. But it’s just light. The physical you is still racing ahead. You can might be able to watch yourself take off but you wouldn’t be able to meet yourself, not simply by getting ahead of your light. But time is a funny thing. If there is a past then every instant of our physical selves is preserved in some kind of flow and we can jump back into the flow and see ourselves of whatever else was there. But if the total amount of matter in the universe is constant at anytime then by removing your physical self from one period and transplanting it into another period would you be removing matter from one physical state of the universe and adding it to another? Time is something measured through change. If nothing changes there is no time. Change is measured by light. If lights stops then does time stop? I read about an experiment where scientists managed to stop a laser dead in a cloud of super cooled gas. Did time stop inside the cloud or inside the laser beam?
Perhaps moving to the future is easier. If you can create a time stasis chamber where time inside the chamber moves more slowly than outside the chamber then anyone inside could emerge into a later time period, say several seconds to several millenia later depending on the difference of the flow of time inside and outside the stasis chamber. Aparently Russian scientists have already managed to transport someone a few seconds into the future. Maybe it was more. I forget. The idea was explored in an SF novel called Spin. The author is Robert Charles Wilson.
Interesting post!
somethingunUSual said on Jan 23, OO….
In order to stop my mind from wandering, I am happy with the notion that there
is no way to visit the past … it is gone. However, we can visit the future by
jumping over a given amount of time. We time travel every night. We go to sleep
and suddenly it is 6, 7, or 8 hours later. Someday, space travelers will also be
time travelers (see the original Planet of the Apes) or so Einstein says.
Speed affects time. I doubt that Man will ever go faster than the speed of light,
so He will have to be put into suspended animation (prolonged sleep) to travel
the great distances to other worlds. But who would do this? When they came
back it would be hundreds or thousands of years later. Of course, there is
quantum physics. Read Timeline by Michael Crichton if you really want
a headache.
I think our fascination with time travel is that we would love to visit our past,
hang around behind a tree at our old school, and see what we were really like
as a kid. Or maybe visit that stacked teacher or hot neighbor lady and
sweep her off her feet. In Time Enough For Love, Robert A. Heinlein’s
hero travels back to his childhood days and lusts after his young mother.
Now that is a real paradox. What if you were your own father or your own
grandpa? Those are but a few problems with visiting the past and why I do
not think God would allow it. It coud get more messed up than is we allowed
polygamy.
somethingunUSual said on Jan 23, OO….
Sorry. It could get more messed up than if we allowed polygamy.
ShakenToTheCore said on Jan 23, OO….
There are few things in the past i would want to relive and Jumping forward would ruin the surprise. Besides, in our lifetime it’ll never happen. Never!
Trinov said on Jan 24, OO….
Hi, I have a blog about a time travel/space jumping experience, totally passive and very frightening, but it happened and it was very ordinary in other ways…. Just think of everything of being in the mind of the Creator, who has given us now computers and virtual reality as a parable for a usable working paradigm to understand and re-create these phenomena. According to our Rabbi who is a Kabbalist, a real one, time flows backwards as well as forwards –even in certain places on earth….. There are books on people who have had time travel experiences, usually somehow into a very ordinary scene of a few decades back. The world is much more complex, and simple at the same time, than we are used to thinking about it. We here on this planet are just at the beginning of a real technology or a real science–its the physicists who are now opening the box for all of us! Time travel may be possible for your grandchildren, who like Hermione in Harry Potter 3, are possibly visiting here now, but being damn careful about it.
mOOn_platOOn said on Jan 25, OO….
How did Schroedinger’s Cat show up here? I thought he was dead.
Oh wait, that was in Reality 936548.
mOOn_platOOn said on Jan 25, OO….
I still don’t see how we can get back to somewhere that no longer exists. But if it does still (and always does) exist, then we are predetermined entities without free will – are we not? Because the future then would also always exist and our perceptual points of awareness just haven’t passed over it yet.
If somehow a boundless quantity of possible pasts and futures is co-existent yet still predetermined, the question of free will becomes irrelevent and unsolvable.
The Rip Van Winkle approach to future travel strikes me as futile. Sure I can bypass a century, but why? So I can feel COMPLETELY out of place and obsolete? Unless bringing past knowledge or items into the future somehow offsets the disadvantages of being Primitive Man, why would I place myself at such a disadvantage? Just to satisfy a curiosity about how “things turn out?”
mOOn_platOOn said on Jan 25, OO….
Hot – I think you’re referring to the Einstein-Boseman condensate. I guess I’m slow, but isn’t there a difference between stopping light and moving faster than light? In effect, Mr. E says that we gain infinite mass by reaching the speed of light. But we haven’t changed at all simply by slowing down photons and walking past them. If we halt all the light in the universe won’t we just be blind?
And if stasis technology is developed, stasis jewelry that retards aging will certainly become popular. Wouldn’t you love to own the patent on that one?
Ifbno7 – where does this belief come from? Please tell me.
Shaken – never say never. But I still contend that there IS NO PLACE TO GO anyway, so I’m with ya.
mOOn – we may gain infinite mass, but when we do, will we be in any condition to make choices or carry out our original plan? Will our minds survive such a transition without changing into something else – like a mass mind, perhaps, with different ideas? BTW, I can’t help but notice that I’m talking to myself. There are now TWO of me in this post. Isn’t that a paradox?
sheeMa – hey, there’s a lot of Time to cover. Asking why no time travelers are here is like asking why there isn’t a fishing hook in one particul;ar spot in the ocean. But if ever there was a good reason to time travel, it would certainly be to cuddle up with you.
Trinov said on Jan 26, OO….
Hi, could not help one more comment, for it is good to see an attempt at extrapolation on a blog—-If you think of time, as a moving tape, as in a tape recorder, then moving from one spot to another on the tape is not so difficult. as in the parable of the two dimensional world that was a popular story in your parents’ or grandparent’s day where the 3 dimensional observer could see the past and future of the two dimensional being, so fifth dimensional observer could see— ….what if going faster than light?etc–which by the way some British scientists ALREADY claimed to have done a few months ago with some type of energy beam,— would increase the mass to infinity?, mass which is only a form of consentrated energy( E=mc² remember — therefore mass is only energy divided by the speed of light squared, no problem– “According to the theory of relativity, there is no essential distinction between mass and energy” page 197 from “The Evolution of Physics”, by Albert Einstein and Leopold Infeld, Simon and Shuster ,1961)–to the point where that mass (or energy) might merge with another dimension of higher energy? or maybe not be a problem at all, but perhaps be a means of seeing possible futures?…..as to free will,we have it in our choices, and our choices may or may not create other parallel permanent or temporary dimensions….(R.D. Laing, an ahead-of-his-time psychiatrist and Catholic philosopher, noticed how certain thoughts (or choices) were “erased”, and how to pay attention to this while it is happening to you!)– (Madeline D’Engle,in the teenage science fiction story “A Wrinkle in Time” dealt with that concept of erased events, as did Back to the Future)……..There are lots of discussions on time travel and interdimensional travel and trouble, and claims of time travel and time interferance in all references to The Philidelphia Experiment, which was originally an attempt to hide ships from radar. It is very hard to find the truth here, (as in anything),but anyone interested in these concepts, really curious about the possibilites and not just as something to bullshit about, can find quite a bit of material to chew on –for example the book “Time Travel, myth or reality” by Richard Heffern, Pyramid books, NY 1977) which also gives a bibliography, including a Scientific American article , in volume 216, pages 98-108, “Can Time Go Backward” by Martin Gardner, also a few books by Brad Steiger etc, and that was over thirty years ago and more stuff has come out by now and not only on the internet.
justmetoo said on Feb 15, OO….
hmm… i once read a theory by (i believe it was einstein):
“If you can move at the speed of light then relevant time will stop”
Depending on how you perceive this, time doesn’t ’stop’ so to speak… merely ‘you’ are no longer bound by the laws of time in the present time…
Time and space is linked, that we know… but how do you convert Time to Space? (I believe this is your perception on time Travel Hole?)
To travel back in time, you would also have to manipulate space… As an apprentice Electrician i often had this discussion with my Tradesman and he brought up a good point “If you travel back in time, say 1 year from now… how do YOU know this planet will be in the same position? Perhaps when you travel back in time, you’ll end up floating in space and therefore implode…?”
I think to travel through time you also need to travel through space (time and destination unless you’re travelling through a wormhole or something where you have 2 points of origin Past-Present)
You can go go back to the past anytime you want… you just can’t change what has already happened.
lfbno7 said on Feb 16, OO….
The Giants win the Super Bowl.
Trinov said on Feb 16, OO….
Hi, to justmetoo, It is possible that space is a product of time, for without time we could not walk three steps in space. Also, if we think of our homes as being on a moving ball, which is in a different position re the solar system and the rest of the galaxy and the other galaxies every second, we have to understand that we are contantly moving at great speeds even when we are asleep in bed. So any human jump in time has to take into account all these factors, if this jump is manipulated from within our four dimensional time-space ‘continuum’.
And so any jump in either space or time would have to be configured in a time-space program/algorithm etc.
However, it might be much easier to configure from outside of our four dimensional plane :Just as we can look down at a piece of paper with a map, or a chess board, and move a pencil over the map, or a piece on the chess board, which is a ‘jump’ in and out of a two dimensional space, then a jump back or forward in time, or across ’space’ would have to be done, or configured from the point of view of the fifth dimension, and I believe modern physics talks about ten dimensions, at least.
Just as two hundred years ago, most people could not conceive of electric light, of ‘talking’ between continents, of leaving this planet, or brain surgery, etc we cannot conceive of the break throughs in science that will happen in the future. We would look just as ridiculous to your great grandchildren to be, as the Chief Clerk of the Patent Office of the US in 1890 looks to us today. He wanted to close the office in the 1890’s because he declared that everything that could be invented already was invented!
The purpose of science fiction should not be just re-fitted cowboy stories or war stories in space, or ‘if it goes on like this’, or silly utopias that seem impossible,–instead it should be a vehicle for imagining what could be, what our collective minds can create as possilbilities.
lfbno7 said on Feb 16, OO….
Where does the belief in a library in heaven come from? That’s an old one. I forgot the name for it, but that’s because my memory is swiss cheese. But it is supported in the works of the psychologist Michael Newton, whose deeply hypnotized patients report that very thing, a library in heaven, where you can research your own life if you want, because there’s a book with your name on it, in 4-D.
mOOn_platOOn said on Feb 16, OO….
Don’t you change what happened if you are suddenly part of the scenario? Even consciousness alone (the act of observing) effects the environment.
RodSerling said on Sep 08, OO….
But what if I kill Hitler? When he’s a baby?
Then WW2 never happened and six million Jews
lived to propogate, and maybe the Atom Bomb
was never developed.
But it was, they didn’t, and it did.
So I can’t, can I? And no one else can, either.
I can’t believe that 70 years of what happened
never did.
If that can happen once, it can happen repeatedly.
So reality is like an etch-a-sketch, history made -
history erased – history made – history erased -
ad infinitum…
mOOn_platOOn said on Sep 08, OO….
Some physicists might argue that as soon as Hitler is
killed by a {tachyon-driven?} time traveler, or even as
soon as the newly-arrived time traveler steps on a bug
that lived in Hitler’s room, “reality” splits into a
parallel universe where history branches off into another
of it’s infinitely possible limbs…
celestialspace2001 said on Sep 08, OO….
suspects (time travelers) -
Jesus, Mohammed, Sargon, Zeus, Helen of Troy,
Nefartiti, P.T. Barnum
StoneMaster said on Sep 08, OO….
Won’t most people want to go into their immediate past?
If not their family (dead relatives) then their recent
history, for financial advantage or accident prevention
or assassination-thwartation?
somethingunUSual said on Sep 08, OO….
Since becoming a blogger, I have been thinking a lot
about the subjects you … ah … we humans discuss ad
nauseum: politics, religion, sex, food, abortion, time
travel, etc. Most of these are based on opinion so we
never really get anywhere even though both sides offer
up some kind of rock-solid proof they are right. Those
subjects get boring pretty fast, but I have spent hours
thinking about time travel. I lost lots of sleep in high
school and college discussing it. However, I have recently
satisfied myself that it is only possible to travel into the
future, not the past. The past is gone, never to return.
The people are dead, the plants and animals are dead,
yadda, yadda. But we can travel into the future by
jumping over periods of time. We do it every night. We go
to sleep and jump over several hours of time into the
future. We could be put into an artificial sleep and wake
up years in the future like Mel Gibson in the movie
Forever Young. We could go into space, fly too
fast, and come back years in the future to The Planet
of the Apes. Traveling into the future is possible and
breaks no natural laws (like bringing millions of people back
from the dead). I know, you have some rock-solid
scientific proof that traveling into the past is possible.
SithBorg said on Sep 08, OO….
Time travel is a concept that science studies seriously.
It’s a real possibility. It is not inconceivable that time
travel is going on across our galaxy and our universe in everlasting momentum.
Still, consider our place in the vastness not only of
Space, but within the complex of Time…
In 10 years, no one will directly remember World War Two.
In 50 years, Hitler will be a footnote, the Holocaust an
oddity, and the 20th century a romanticized period of optimism.
In 100 years, The Beatles, Hollywood and every major
star of today will be forgotten.
In 500 years the United States, the United Nations and nationalism itself will be anachronistic.
In 1,000 years all of our wars, inventions, words of
wisdom and greatest structures will be of interest
only to the scholars.
In 5,000 years none of our present cities will stand,
few will be studied and reminisced, and the concept of
the city itself will have morphed beyond recognition.
In 10,000 years every person you ever knew or ever
heard of, save one or perhaps two, will be buried in the
lost files of the dustiest containers in the oldest
storehouses of the very most ancient treasures of our
distant descendants.
In 50,000 years the creators of electricity, artificial
intelligence and biological engineering will be of no more importance than the names of those who first harnessed
fire, built two wheels, or used a stick as a deadly spear -
if indeed they even HAD names.
When all we are is absorbed and taken for granted, there
will be little interest in our particulars. The ego called
upon to imagine thinkers of the year 195200 obsessed
with the activities of the people of OO is colossal.
Would you like to spend much time with Grog The Cave Dweller?
SithBorg said on Sep 08, OO….
My. What a conservative opinion coming from an ALIEN.
You are thinking of time as component parts in a
coordinated field. Time properly conceived is non-
sequential, like a kaleidoscope of yesterdays, tomorrows
and todays, all visible at once but focusing on one
small part at a time.
Time is as mappable as Space. Space is as transient
as Time.
Or so they say…
TheUndergroundEagle said on Sep 08, OO….
I want to fly like an eagle
to the sea
fly like an eagle
let my spirit carry me
I want to fly like an eagle
’til i’m free
flying to the revolution…
time keeps on slippin, slippin, slippin
into the future….
- Steve Miller Band & The Underground Eagle
hotaka said on Sep 08, OO….
Causality. On argument is that if you could travel back in time what you would end up doing is causing things to lead toward the present anyway. You would be making the present possible because it already is. Let’s say you went back and tried to kill Hitler. Surely many people tried but never got close enough. They were probably routed out, captured and killed before it could become an issue. The fact that Hitler lived and did what he did is proof that no one every succeeded in offing the guy. If you went beack in time to kill him it might be you who ended up deceased!
As for why anyone would choose to come back specifically to OO, I OO that there is no good reason. As SithBorg said, there is no reason for this year to be remembered in another 2,000 centuries or so. And that’s the funny thing about most time travel stories. Everyone from the future comes to our present. Why? In stories that claim to be from the far future people still remember the famous names of today. What about all the famous people who will come after. How many names of famous people does history record from the last hundred years vs. 1,000 years ago? Of course, there are more people and better world communication these days and we have many ways to store information now. A thousand years ago information storage was limited to paper, steel and stone. And no one in South America cared to know what was happening in Northern Europe or even knew about Northern Europe.
If time travel becomes feasible a thousand years from now I think most people will be looking fifty or a hundred years back and wanting to change things, not a thousand years back.
One interesting thought is that if time travel becomes possible, it would have to be very seriously regulated, unless of course my first point about time travelers fulfilling the present and not changing the future is true. Still, in a world of time meddlers we might be faced with a present of no past.
secretlife said on Sep 08, OO….
This is soooo over my head it isn’t funny.
I’m stuck thinking about what if you go back and kill Hitler and 6 million jews don’t die.
What happens to those 6 million lives that ended and then weren’t ended? How many children who never were would have been born and what would they have done and how would they have potentially changed the world?
If there are alternate universes and you can time travel, do you then specify the universe you want to travel to?
Indiefilm said on Sep 08, OO….
I’m going to have to OO with Alien. Traveling back in time is a nice idea, but I doubt it’s possible. Travelling forward, well, you can’t really do anything but travel forward.
“Time properly conceived is non-
sequential, like a kaleidoscope of yesterdays, tomorrows
and todays, all visible at once but focusing on one
small part at a time.“
Sith, that sure sounds pretty on paper, but I’d like to see someone prove it in the real world. I’d like to see someone prove that one event doesn’t actually follow the one before it.
It defies empirical evidence to the contrary.
However, if it was possible to travel back through time, the point about what makes OO special, is completly valid. Unless there is a specific event, or location of interest, who would want to go back to see it 1,000 years after the fact?
Something like Ancient Egypt, sure, go back and see the glory days of the Nile, that would likely draw time tourists. Hell, it was way more than 1,000 years ago, yet still interesting enough for people to travel there for vacation.
somethingunUSual said on Sep 08, OO….
As I said, I too have struggled with all of this and, of
course, only have my opinion, which is: time travel is only
possible in one direction. That said, if I meet a time
traveler tomorrow (that can prove it), I will be on board
with the whole idea. Most people think of traveling into
the past as being like rewinding a video. A good example
is the Back to the Future movies (I told you I was
fascinated with the aspects of time travel). They went
to the past and everything simply rewound like a tape,
they were interjected into the past, and off things went
to create a totally new future, which they could not go
back to in the second movie. What happened to those
of us who remained here? Did everything magically change
around us? Maybe that is what deja vu is all about. Of
course one episode of Star Trek, TNG did just that. A
ship from the past came through a worm hole, or
something, and everything changed around the crew.
Only Woopie Goldberg’s character knew something was
different. Creapy. Also, if people learn to travel here from
the past, there will probably be some kind of time cops
to keep those who do travel to the past from destroying
the future. I need an aspirin.
okelay said on Sep 08, OO….
maybe one of the bloggers here is a Time Lord and we don’t even know it!!
well, to answer the grandad paradox,i suppose you killing him, or for that matter, you going back in time creates an alternate universe. every decision from the smallest one to the life-changing event has several outcomes. and in diferent realities, they all happen.
we just can’t see it.
i think that more interesting than time travel i’d like to see travel between parallel universes.
to answer all the ‘what if’ we all have.
see how things could’ve turned out.
i don’t think the future is set in stone. it can be changed, manipulated.
someone said, what if you killed hitler? what if you could visit a universe where hitler never existed?
would it be different? better? worse? maybe the WWII happned for a reason
or maybe someone else would have taken his spot and it would have happened anyway.
All of you are dead wrong and lack the vision to see the obvious compelling flaw in you vision of the future. Let’s try a thought experiment just to enlighten the dullard to this obviosity.
Suppose Time Travel is a very real possibility that all scientifically technological civilizations eventually create for fun, pleasure or general entertainment.
Be honest, when is the last time you dropped your change?
When is the last time you looked over your shoulder to see if anyone was looking and tossed your Fish and Chips (or McGreasyBum) paper in a ditch beside the country road?
When did you last relieve your self behind a tree while traveling?
Since mutations occur in a rather odd regularity within the E Coli that live in the 21st century gut, any sudden mutation that leaped hundreds of mutations ahead (from the feces of our most disgustingly stinky time traveler) would be noticed as an entirely new virulent species of E Coli like organism.
This has not happened.
Since there have been no anachronistic discoveries of foldable Iridium Pepsi Cans and no one has come forward to display a year 3000 Lithium penny he found in his odd change jar…we do not survive.
Yes friends since the science of the 21st century has succeeded in making subatomic particles sail both forward and backward in time, we are actually on the very verge of the introduction of real time travel, just like on the Telly.
But however in a somber note since the anachronisms that would assure our survival as a species are not also present…
Ergo we are toast.
Within the next 5 or 6 years, we vanish. Maybe the next species to inherit the earth will finally make a really good toupee that doesn’t get a laugh or make a version of Spam that actually is edible.
somethingunUSual said on Sep 08, OO….
I get it. If there was such a thing as time travel, Spam
would taste better. Well, confess futureguy. Spam does
taste good. You have obviously only heard bad jokes
about it in the future. And for your information, I could
not possibly be your grandfather.
RodSerling said on Sep 08, OO….
There are all sort of mysterious viruses and strange
discoveries. I thought about that, too – on the small
scale, no humans travel alone, timewise or otherwise.
We’re full of tiny critters and they are also making
choices, entering and leaving me, reproducing and
dying on me, eating me and feeding me as I sit here
typing.
It would be stranger on a extraterrestrial level,
but across eons of time there might come a meeting
of microscopic warriors that would be fatal – or
amazing – to their hosts.
RodSerling said on Sep 08, OO….
Somethingunusual, are you talking to yourself again?
mOOn_platOOn said on Sep 08, OO….
Empirical evidence comes through the senses. The
senses are designed for selective filtering. There is
no empirical “evidence” of x-rays to ordinary senses,
yet they exist in nature.
I’m just siding with Einstein and Hawking on this one.
If they say that yesterday is to my left, down the street
and up the 3rd staircase behind the purple door, I’ll
take that walk.
Think of an egg falling to the floor and shattering. There
are no “laws of nature” known to us that prevent the
egg from regrouping, flying back up to the table and
nestling safely in the carton. It isn’t likely. It is
possible. I’m not banking on it.
That would still not be the past, it would be the future.
So now let’s put the egg in the frying pan.
From the instant the egg came out of the carton, two
divergent futures played out, united by a third (the egg
reforming). Both came from a starting point that, until
that moment, was identical. Both came from the same
hen, the same farm, the same state.
Time has never stopped “moving” forward. But the
starting point of “cause” is revisited and played out
differently.
As for the rest of us, when the egg rewound, so did we.
We weren’t aware of it, but…deja vu?
Now we need the mechanism, technique or method of
getting that damned egg back in the shell consistently.
And the winner is the one who can make the next
new world they were aiming for, and then find a way
to get “back” to it.
In time travel terminology, the past is the future
regrouping and restarting from a selected starting
point. It won’t require anyone to walk backward
consciously.
aeschylus said on Sep 08, OO….
mOOn …
(aka Scoundrel)
You are assuming that time is linear and space has substance.
No such thing as time travel because time is not linear and space has no substance.
The assumption that one could “move” through time in space from point A to point B implies that there are sequential points in time and that the substance is taking or displacing space.
Imagine, however, that at each point in “time” you stop to focus on does exist, and that the substance that is supposedly moving through and in that “space” is there at the same time you give it your mental attention.
Each and every point in time exists simultaneously, and the substance that is “moving” through space also exists simultaneously. The only factor that is not constant in the equation is your own focused attention, which is limited to a physical or tangible perception.
aeschylus
somethingunUSual said on Sep 08, OO….
Yes. And I think mOOn’s comment is moving forward in time.
hotaka said on Sep 09, OO….
To mOOn Chronotice – Again, perhaps we haven’t found anything is because no one has bothered to come back to our present. There may be far more interesting times ahead in the future that are worth visiting to someone even further out in the future.
And how many poopies have you inspected recently just to be sure they are not from the future? It’s a good argument, but who’s checking out pooh? If it were flushed it would end up in the sewage treatment plant anyway.
hotaka said on Sep 09, OO….
Did anyone read Time Line by Michael Chricton? That had a neat take on time travel, teleportation, and alternate universes.
hotaka said on Sep 09, OO….
If I were going into the past I don’t think I would bring my money from the future anyway. And in the future they might not even have cash. “Oops! I lost my credit chip implant around here somewhere.”
andrew23 said on Sep 09, OO….
The naked mOOn is absolutely right about his concept of time, he just stated above the truth, clear and naked.
mOOn_platOOn said on Sep 09, OO….
Aes, I OO with SithBorg’s earlier description…
Time properly conceived is non-sequential, like a kaleidoscope of yesterdays, tomorrows and todays,
all visible at once but focusing on one small part at
a time.
…and I think quantum physics reinforces such a
view. I am not saying that “Time” is linear, only our
perception of it. Ever seen an old “record” made of
vinyl, requiring a needle fixed on a mechanical arm
to play the sound?
Time is the record. Your individual consciousness is
the needle. The needle is designed to reveal the
record as it moves sequentially down the grooves.
So are our senses. But from a 4th-dimensional
viewpoint, we’d “hear” the whole record at once.
It would then sound like cacaphonic chaos. But it is
all there – past and future.
Remember, scientists have agreed that no energy is
created or destroyed. Every atom of Granddad that
existed still exists, whether cohesive or scattered and
rejoined elsewhere, and so can “leap back” into the
Granddad shell if motivated. Once reconstructed,
Granddad will pick up wherever his benevolent
benefactor decides.
And we are not “traveling” anywhere, actually. However
the atomic structures around us are reversing, retracing,
reassembling from motivated probability memory.
celestialspace2001 said on Sep 09, OO….
Why aren’t the ladies weighing in on this? I know that
time manipulation (can’t call it “travel” now according
to mOOn) is of interest to us also.
Here’s a wonder: ONE girl gets a “time manipulator” (TM)
and resets the cosmic clock. Okay then, is this for the
whole universe? Or is it localized, like to the immediate
Galaxy? Or maybe even more, for just the planet? Or
maybe just the local town gets reset?
If the whole universe doesn’t get reset, then you have a universe composed of various “pockets” of time. Damn!
Did I just hit a whole new idea?
celestialspace2001 said on Sep 09, OO….
Is there anyone that YOU think might be or have been
from a time AFTER everything you already know?
restarters from the future, continued:
Woody Allen
Henry Ford
Thomas Jefferson
Leonardo Da Vinci
Joan Of Arc
sheemAfeM said on Sep 09, OO….
mOOn, how many “times” have I started over so far?
Any way to tell?
StoneMaster said on Sep 09, OO….
Gives a new light on “fortune tellers” – no?
Maybe they are just better at remembering possible
outcome to make it real or choose it away…?
“I see your future…” Or one of them…
TheUndergroundEagle said on Sep 09, OO….
Psychic powers seem almost logical if you’re just
remembering patterns…
There might be 100 different time-doctors click on OO
as the time-manipulating centuries go on.
That means we started over at least from THIS point
99 times.
So 99 times I’ve started typing this sentence. Each
time that I go on from here, it’s slightly different.
Also, lots of other time-doctors went back before this
startover date and changed me lots of times before -
including a few times when I never came into being.
hotaka said on Sep 09, OO….
“Maybe they are just better at remembering possible
outcome to make it real or choose it away…?”
Sounds like The Oracle from The Matrix.
Here’s a thought about time travel. In the stories and movies people always appear in the exact same spot on earth from where they left when traveling to the past or future. But the earth is rotating and revolving around the sun, the solar system is moving around the galaxy, and the galaxy is moving through the universe. If time travel means that you don’t move through space but only time then you would stay in exactly the same location in the universe (given any adjustments for expansion of space). If you traveled just a couple of months forward you would be left floating in space because the earth would have moved on. Travel ahead a few thousand years and you might not even be able to find the right system anymore. Or travel back a few hours and you might end up inside the earth by mistake. “Oops. It looks like he has reappeared inside a limestone bed. Let’s hope there’s a cave down there.”
hotaka said on Sep 09, OO….
celestialspace2001 – It’s kind of like going to Europe. So modern and yet so antiquated.
TheUndergroundEagle said on Sep 09, OO….
Psychic powers seem almost logical if you’re just
remembering patterns…
There might be 100 different time-doctors click on OO
as the time-manipulating centuries go on.
That means we started over at least from THIS point
99 times.
So 99 times I’ve started typing this sentence. Each
time that I go on from here, it’s never exactly the same.
Also, many other time-manipulators rewound to before
this startover date and changed me many times
before – including a few times when…
mOOn_platOOn said on Sep 09, OO….
I’m guessing, hotaka, that whatever is manipulated for
the experience of time rebooting is moving along at the
same momentum as Earth. That’s why you can jump
straight up on a trampoline and not land in the pool 20
feet to the west.
raulraffinknockknock said on Sep 09, OO….
wow…205 hits in your first day…and i’m thinking now how
reincarnation ties in with these theories…maybe your next
life is your same life the next time a time-manipulor manipulates time…
i know this makes sense….
i hope!…
hotaka said on Sep 09, OO….
But mOOn, that would suggest you have inertia (time inertia?) and are moving through space as well as through time. So are we talking about the kind of time travel where you take a short cut through space arriving at a point before light catches up or are we talking about not moving through space at all and only through time. Or do you just move through space with time anyway since they are interwoven?
Besides, it works better in SF stories for the traveler to arrive in the past or future in exactly the same location on earth. But that doesn’t mean it would hold true if we ever did figure out how it works. In that case you would have to figure the movement of the earth through space into your time jump calculations. There’s a kind of a mention about that in a short story by Isaac Asimov in his book Robot Dreams, where a scientist explains that as a billiard ball enters a zero gravity field it will appear to float above the table because of the movement of the earth. That’s no what actually happens in the story, however.
Has anyone considered the possibility of time jumping through the use of worm holes? There’s a lot of stuff about that. With enough energy (more than we can produce now or even hope to produce in the next few centuries) you can open a hole in spacetime and step through to another place or time or both without feeling more than 1g and without requiring years and years of travel time. Kip Thorne and his buds came up with some workable idea for Carl Sagan’s Contact. The only problem we have is that we don’t have what it takes to open a wormhole large enough and stabalize it long enough to ride on through.
hotaka said on Sep 09, OO….
I thought about the inertia bit while I was cooking dinner. It occured to me that the trampoline example doesn’t work well enough because the amount of time that we leave the trampoline is too short for any noticeable loss of inertia. If the same principle applied to time travel then short trips would bring us back in relatively the same spot but longer trips could leave us farther from our launch point. Imagine jumping on the trampoline so high it took you an hour to come back down. Could you expect the trampoline to still be there?
I then thought about throwing a baseball into the air from a train crossing a high bridge. First of all, the wind would knock it back and reduce its inertia and velocity. Then air resistance and gravity would pull the ball down and its path forward would become a curve until it hit bottom. In the supposed vaccuum of space the ball would continue to travel along with the train, or whatever you would be traveling in (Lord knows you wouldn’t want to stick your head out the window without the proper gear). But your velocity would be the same as the baseballs then. Moving ahead in time assumes that the baseball is traveling at faster than the train and arriving at some point before the train arrives.
I then thought of traveling in a car. As long as you stay in or on (or under) the car you move at the same velocity. This can be compared with our movement forward through time by our sluggish movement through space while moving about on the surface of the earth. If you could catapult yourself forward you would be moving faster than the car, and thus in the time travel scenario, you would be moving ahead in time. But when you land there is no car. So when you stopped moving ahead in time, would there be an earth? Same goes for catapulting yourself off the back of the car. You move back to were the car was but it is no longer there. In time you would move back but how could you expect the earth to be there if you weren’t moving through space as well?
What if instead we catapulted ourselves up and forward? If we calculated the trejectory and velocity correctly we could land in (or on) the car once it arrived and we arrived at the desired location. In three -dimensional space that means moving up as well as forward. How would this translate into moving through time? Is there an “up” in time as well as a forward or would you have to move through another dimension altogether?
In conclusion I figured that comparing moving through time to moving through space an unrealistic and impractical concept. There are several ideas as to how one can travel through time either to the future or the past, but we simply don’t have the technology to test those ideas that work out fine on paper.
How about that Time Machine (H.G. Wells) method of travel where you sit in a chair and watch the world change rapidly around you? If the time traveler can witness these events than that means he is still occupying that spot, which means everyone else should be able to see him, unless he slips into some kind of fuzzy stasis bubble that light can pass into but not out again. If people could see him then he would appear completely frozen. In that case, he would be a bit like Dave Lister in Red Dwarf when he gets put in stasis and stays in there for millions of years and comes out exactly the same age as when he went in but far off in the future. Except that the time traveler can move in his own real time and therefore would appear to change position at an extremely slow rate just like that old Star Trek episode where Kirk is zipping about at super high speed and sees Scotty virtually standing frozen still.
Man, I should be using these ideas for my own blog. But few would read them. The discussion is more fun here.
mOOnChronotice said on Sep 09, OO….
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Given:
1) Time Travel is viable.
2) Time Travel is controlled by government regulation and limited to a select few only once or twice a year.
3) The Human race exists 2 billion years until the sun goes nova.
4) At any one time even in a highly controlled time travel paradigm, there are 4 billion time travelers among us.
OR
Given:
1) Time Travel is viable.
2) Time Travel is controlled by government regulation and limited to a select few only once or twice a year.
3) The Human race exists 1 million years until an Asteroid wipes us out.
4) At any one time even in a highly controlled time travel paradigm, there are 2 million time travelers among us.
OR
Given:
1) Time Travel is viable.
2) Time Travel is controlled by government regulation and limited to a select few only once or twice a year.
3) The Human race exists 1 thousand years until a disease wipe us out.
4) At any one time even in a highly controlled time travel paradigm, there are 2 thousand time travelers among us.
OR
Given:
1) Time Travel is viable.
2) Time Travel is controlled by government regulation and limited to a select few only once or twice a year.
3) The Human race exists 500 years until Aliens arrive and begin eating us.
4) At any one time even in a highly controlled time travel paradigm, there are 1 thousand time travelers among us.
Point is we should be absolutely swimming in Chronotrash Buggers. They should be everywhere, on every street corner, trying to eat all our fast food. But they are not. They are not here at all. The only possible way there could be one or two is if the planet exploded just after their departure. It is the law of compounding all over again. Given any substantial length of time every thing possible to do will be done over and over ad nausium.
Even if the Chronotrash are very good at hiding in plain sight there will be biological, social, informational and hence temporal cockups. It is in our nature.
The only solution is:
1) Time Travel is not possible – DISPROVEN BY CURRENT SCIENCE
2) We do not survive as a species past the next few years – THE ONLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION!
So my friends eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.
Indiefilm said on Sep 09, OO….
mOOn: “Remember, scientists have agreed that no energy is
created or destroyed. Every atom of Granddad that
existed still exists,
Rembemer that scientist also agreed that nothing could travel faster than the speed of sound.
Science isn’t always correct, especially when it comes to theories which can not be adequetly tested. Science is the pursuit of understanding of the physical universe, it hasn’t arrived at complete understanding yet, and probably wont in our lifetimes.
That said…
1. Atoms can be destroyed, look at the atom bomb.
2. If you reasemble grandpa’s atoms, you do so in a new unit of time, so while grandpa may exist as he once did, He wouldn’t exist when he once did.
Hotaka: An excellent point, the earth is moving round the sun, the sun is moving round the center of the Galaxy and the Milky Way is moving reletive to other galaxies, and the ‘center’ of the galaxy. Right now I’m violating all kinds of speed limits, I’m traveling at 1000’s of miles an hour just sitting in my chair.
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
If I hadn’t been in partially in another place and time yesterday, I would have responded (with my personal opinion, of course), more properly. My apologies to all.
Also apologies to so many comments (following), but I’ve thoroughly enjoyed this thread today.
think outside the box …
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
|??? … Time Travelers Are Among Us … ?
Yes.
mOOn, I’m wondering if you were asking if events can be changed by travel through time. Seems a lot of
followup focused on that. Hmm … Hasn’t that been covered?
If time travel is possible, then where are all the time travelers? We can’t be SO boring that NO ONE ever
comes back to catch some of our act?can we?
The “time travelers” are all around you. One is probably even you. The problem is perception and awareness,
not whether or not something does or does not exist, or is or is not happening.
Boring? …
Absolutely. If I go to the other side of the world, come home, and tell everyone I saw a skyscraper taller
than any on this side of the world, and the responses were consistently, “Oh no you didn’t see any such thing,”
or even “You never could have possibly gone to the other side of the world because everyone knows there is no
other side of the world,” you’d get pretty bored pretty quickly too. Ditto on a lot of other subjects.
And what if such time travel only works on the organic subject and not on his clothes, tools, weapons or
medicines? An ordinary appearing human claiming to be from ?the future? with no evidence save his brain would
swiftly be labeled either ?looney? or ?psychic? (for predicting major events). There are plenty of these
fellows ? maybe we should heed them carefully instead of looking away and dismissing them.
I can only respond to this with this link from The Loss Self: http://www.headinjury.com/losself.htm
For those who feel learning about traumatic brain injury, just think about it the next time you get behind the
wheel of your car and prepare to speed down the freeway, or the local country back road. The major cause of
brain injury (i.e., head injury) today are motor vehicle accidents. If you’re lucky, you will never have to
learn about it first hand.
Or, perhaps, from another perspective, if you’re lucky you will, because it has been found that such an injury
can unlock the portions of the brain that are not normally used, out of necessity, not choice. What is the
current reported statistic as to how much of the human brain is REALLY utilized on a daily basis?
Want a new perception? (or not) … Get hit in the head!
And what would it benefit such a stranded voyager to ‘fess up?
Why bother, if as you say, that person would be labled “looney?”
Time travel, like suicide, may be a one-way journey.
Can’t figure out why you assign suicide as different than death? Or why it may be a one-way journey? You
died and came back, right?
************
mOOn_platOOn said 1 day ago…
Some physicists might argue that as soon as Hitler is killed by a {tachyon-driven?} time traveler, or even
as soon as the newly-arrived time traveler steps on a bug that lived in Hitler’s room, “reality” splits into
a parallel universe where history branches off into another of it’s infinitely possible limbs…
Reality, nor the universe, can “split” if it is infinite. I doubt the human thought process cannot accurately
perceive infinity. The human thought process generally has trouble perceiving what’s for supper.
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
|??? … Time Travelers Are Among Us … ?
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
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StoneMaster said 1 day ago…
Won’t most people want to go into their immediate past?
If not their family (dead relatives) then their recent history, for financial advantage or accident prevention or assassination-thwartation?
Why? Think about it … Kill a relative, rob a bank, cause an accident.
Example: Prevent an accident on Street A, causes one on Street B. The accident will still happen, that’s a constant.
I figure there has to be some controls in place somewhere.
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
OO
somethingunUSual said 1 day ago…
Since becoming a blogger, I have been thinking a lot about the subjects you … ah … we humans discuss ad nauseum: politics, religion, sex, food, abortion, time travel, etc. Most of these are based on opinion so we never really get anywhere even though both sides offer up some kind of rock-solid proof they are right. Those subjects get boring pretty fast, but I have spent hours thinking about time travel. … …
… I know, you have some rock-solid scientific proof that traveling into the past is possible.
something …
Gee, you’re bored about politics, religion, sex, food, abortion ? Awww !
I’d like some rock-solid scientific proof that you’re real though. I’ve always said that aliens have already landed.
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
SithBorg …
Well spoken!
I’ve bumped into a few of those “scientific” studies. Some even have different names. And the mOOn’s earlier comment assigning the term “looney” has been applied to the researchers as well. (Actually, I think some of them are too.)
Too bad the human ego just can’t cope with the possibility that physical reality (and our “existence”) is just a miniscule microcosm in the order (and priority) of things.
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
hotaka …
You’re still thinking linear and limiting the space theory.
Think outside the box. Coffins are boxes. Boxes are coffins.
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
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secretlife said 1 day ago…
This is soooo over my head it isn’t funny.
LOL … Mine too! Isn’t the mOOn some teacher, huh? Wonder if he’s teaching himself anything?
If there are alternate universes and you can time travel, do you then specify the universe you want to travel to?
Excellent question!!! And there are definitely a few I’d like to avoid, as well as places where certain other “travelers” are kept out! So, do we finally get to choose the company we may have to keep for infinity?
aeschylus
somethingunUSual said on Sep 09, OO….
OK, we are going to need another case of beer to get
through this. I think mOOn should buy the next case.
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
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Indiefilm said about 19 hours ago…
Sith, that sure sounds pretty on paper, but I’d like to see someone prove it in the real world. I’d like to see someone prove that one event doesn’t actually follow the one before it.
It defies empirical evidence to the contrary.
I’d like to see anyone “prove” anything. Is there any real empirical evidence that you (or I) even exist? I suspect the mOOn could possibly be a 12-year-old kid having some of his readers help him write his next science paper?
Or did you finally turn 13, mOOn ?
(Ooops, that’s a different time and space.)
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
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somethingunUSual said about 16 hours ago…
As I said, I too have struggled with all of this and, of course, only have my opinion, which is: time travel is only possible in one direction. That said, if I meet a time traveler tomorrow (that can prove it), I will be on board with the whole idea. Most people think of traveling into the past as being like rewinding a video.
Glad I’m not going in your direction. Around or up and down would be nice too.
A good example is the Back to the Future movies (I told you I was fascinated with the aspects of time travel). They went to the past and everything simply rewound like a tape, they were interjected into the past, and off things went to create a totally new future, which they could not go back to in the second movie. What happened to those of us who remained here? Did everything magically change around us? Maybe that is what deja vu is all about.
I saw that too. Interesting concept. Entertaining value too. Realistic?
Of course one episode of Star Trek, TNG did just that. A ship from the past came through a worm hole, or something, and everything changed around the crew. Only Woopie Goldberg’s character knew something was different. Creapy. Also, if people learn to travel here from the past, there will probably be some kind of time cops to keep those who do travel to the past from destroying the future.
And the writers were definitely playing some fun games with the script. Lt. Yar, who had died, was “suddenly” there. I tremendously enjoyed the theories that were presented with such a well-liked character.
I need an aspirin.
Awww. I’m sorry.
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
OO
okelay said about 16 hours ago…
maybe one of the bloggers here is a Time Lord and we don’t even know it!!
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
OO
okelay said about 16 hours ago…
maybe one of the bloggers here is a Time Lord and we don’t even know it!!
LOL … I was thinking a similar thought. Maybe its the mOOn? Where does he REALLY go during the week?
Your other points are well made. Especially “we just can’t see it.”
(It would be nice to have some better last second editing features here, huh?)
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
mOOnChronotice …
Oh gee. Who pooped on you?
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
OO
RodSerling said about 12 hours ago…
There are all sort of mysterious viruses and strange discoveries. I thought about that, too – on the small scale, no humans travel alone, timewise or otherwise. We’re full of tiny critters and they are also making choices, entering and leaving me, reproducing and dying on me, eating me and feeding me as I sit here typing.
It would be stranger on a extraterrestrial level, but across eons of time there might come a meeting of microscopic warriors that would be fatal – or amazing – to their hosts.
Rod … appropriate nick …
This makes the assumption that somehow time, space, and the physical are connected or interactive. I don’t think physical is part of the equation other than it simply exists in our perceptions as something important.
I also don’t perceive time and space as being connected or interactive.
But then, I’m a fool (aka “looney”)
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
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mOOn_platOOn said about 12 hours ago…
Empirical evidence comes through the senses. The senses are designed for selective filtering. There is
no empirical “evidence” of x-rays to ordinary senses, yet they exist in nature.
I’m just siding with Einstein and Hawking on this one. If they say that yesterday is to my left, down the street and up the 3rd staircase behind the purple door, I’ll take that walk.
Ditto. But, I present to you: “Why? I saw you there next month. Don’t you remember?”
Think of an egg falling to the floor and shattering. There are no “laws of nature” known to us that prevent the egg from regrouping, flying back up to the table and nestling safely in the carton. It isn’t likely. It is possible. I’m not banking on it.
Let’s get rid of the egg. Theorize “ego” instead. Egg is tangible, physical, limited. It will never make sense to compare apples and oranges. Ego is not tangible, more far reaching, and limitless based on what I’ve seen (especially in men).
Time has never stopped “moving” forward. But the starting point of “cause” is revisited and played out differently.
Time can’t “move” … space can’t move. And when did cause and effect come into play here?
As for the rest of us, when the egg rewound, so did we. We weren’t aware of it, but…deja vu?
Speak for yourself.
Now we need the mechanism, technique or method of getting that damned egg back in the shell consistently.
No we don’t need any mechanism for the human body, or any “thing,” to travel through time. Gee, it would just litter everything up!!!
And, if as mOOnChronotice theorizes, humans (and everything else) are about dead or non-existent, we certainly don’t need another archaic “mechanism” cluttering up the cosmic consciousness.
In time travel terminology, the past is the future regrouping and restarting from a selected starting point. It won’t require anyone to walk backward consciously.
Isn’t that saying “traveling in circles?”
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
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hotaka said about 9 hours ago…
To mOOn Chronotice – Again, perhaps we haven’t found anything is because no one has bothered to come back to our present. There may be far more interesting times ahead in the future that are worth visiting to someone even further out in the future.
And how many poopies have you inspected recently just to be sure they are not from the future? It’s a good argument, but who’s checking out pooh? If it were flushed it would end up in the sewage treatment plant anyway.
hotaka …
… “perhaps we haven’t found anything is because ….”
How do you know no one has come back to our present? What is your “present” ???
I was wondering if mOOnC might be the poopie inspector too. Think I’ll stay out of his “present” (only a guy would be a poopie checker or inspector!)
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
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mOOn_platOOn said about 6 hours ago…
Aes, I OO with SithBorg’s earlier description…
Actually, mOOn, now that I read it with my head clear (in the proper time and space), I also think SithBorg is closest to answering your question (aka, comment, post, theory, exercise … whatever it is; I just thought it was fun. Can we play some more???)
By the way, some nice analogies.
(PS: you can call me ming; I realize aeschylus is a bit complicated for the fingers).
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
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celestialspace2001 said about 6 hours ago…
Why aren’t the ladies weighing in on this? I know that time manipulation (can’t call it “travel” now according to mOOn) is of interest to us also.
Whaddya mean ?? !!! I’m a “lady!”
Here’s a wonder: ONE girl gets a “time manipulator” (TM) and resets the cosmic clock. Okay then, is this for the whole universe? Or is it localized, like to the immediate Galaxy? Or maybe even more, for just the planet? Or maybe just the local town gets reset?
If the whole universe doesn’t get reset, then you have a universe composed of various “pockets” of time. Damn! Did I just hit a whole new idea?
This is why the guys never ask us nuthin! We’re too practical. And we also take credit for the universe running properly.
Which gave me a thought. Maybe I’ll take a day or two off in THIS time and space and chase some of those cute butts I was too busy for before (or after?).
Hmmmm!
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
StoneMaster …
So, what IS a fortune teller?
One of those “loonies?”
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
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TheUndergroundEagle said about 4 hours ago…
Psychic powers seem almost logical if you’re just remembering patterns…
That’s exactly what it is … a pattern. Figure out the pattern and you have the answer.
But you have to look for the pattern in the right place (wherever you happen to be), at the right time (now), and with the proper perspective (very open minded).
aeschylus
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
OO
mOOn_platOOn said about 4 hours ago…
I’m guessing, hotaka, that whatever is manipulated for the experience of time rebooting is moving along at the same momentum as Earth. That’s why you can jump straight up on a trampoline and not land in the pool 20 feet to the west.
ROFL …
Now, that would be a SIGHT wouldn’t it.
At the same time, I think that it is not only possible, but probable and has already occurred.
aeschylus
mOOn_platOOn said on Sep 09, OO….
Dang, Ming…thanks for hosting the post while I slept -
I think!
aeschylus said on Sep 09, OO….
mOOn ! (you ScoundreL!)
Like hell I hosted your post!
You don’t even read me, and with both Hunter and Madame elsewhere I’m just going to get the last word in.
It was commented to me you’ve just been talking to yourself. I can do that too.
aeschylus
mOOnChronotice said on Sep 09, OO….
Two points:
1) The arrow of time is an allusion.
2) Causality is also an allusion.
Thought experiment again (this is called the BFC Proposition):
Suppose you had a window in your room and you placed a brand new leather wing chair just out side so it could be seen when the drapes are parted. Every day at precisely noon you open your drapes and take a photo of the chair. You do this task for 20 years.
At the end of that time you spread out all of the photos on the floor of your local football stadium. As you walk around admiring the collection the thought occurs. How do you tell which order they were taken in? Without a preconceived notion given to you by others about the general characteristics of old stuff as compared to new stuff, you are lost.
A passive observer has no way of discerning which direction in time a discrete object is traveling without the assistance of an outsider who defines the difference between old and new. Without a preconceived set of rules the arrow of time is indiscernible and ergo does not exist.
We could be surrounded by stuff every day that is tumbling backward in time and we would never notice anything wrong. Our minds eye is opening those drapes one day at a time. To us the chair has always been there.
Causality is also a matter of misperception (this is the 2C Supposition).
Imagine two cones in space with the apex or point of one touching the other. Causality is like that.
For every discrete event in space-time the number of dependent following events (effects) increase exponentially the farther into the future you measure. Also for every discrete event in space-time the dependent causal events increase exponentially the farther into the past you measure.
The upshot is that all discrete events that occur have many possible causes and many possible effects. Thus you can not go back in time and change anything as there are too many alternate paths to the same result.
mOOnChronotice © OO All rights reserved
RodSterling said on Sep 09, OO….
Yes we are here. But only as an electronic avatar within the body of the internet. Physical travel is prohibited due to biological cross contamination. As it turns out time travelers are more infectious than dirt from other planets. Makes an odd sort of sense as the bugs in our blood are already programmed to thrive on earth. All we can do is exchange information and learn.
TheUndergroundEagle said on Sep 10, OO….
Psychic powers seem almost logical if you’re just
remembering patterns…
There might be 100 different time-doctors click on OO
as the time-manipulating centuries go on.
That means we started over at least from THIS point
99 times.
So 99 times I’ve started typing this sentence. Each
time that I go on from here, there’s no way to tell
what will happen..
We should conclude that time manipulation – if it
becomes too common – will also become pointless.
When we all keep restarting the game because we
don’t like the way it’s going, no one will ever be
satisified.
Maybe that’s why we die.
mOOn_platOOn said on Sep 10, OO….
Sorry mOOn C, you can’t copyright stuff on my blog,
and I haven’t posted any copyrighted stuff from anyone
else on my blog, so guess what? I own that stuff you
just posted!!!
…Unless you can time-manipulate yourself back to the
moment you hit “Submit comment” and start a new
world-path, dead-ending this one like an unfinished
bridge over the Grand Canyon…
mOOn_platOOn said on Sep 10, OO….
Indiefilm: I think you meant “the speed of light”
And you reiterate my point that time keeps “moving”
in one direction (in our perception as witnesses) and
that Granddad’s reconstitution under this condition
is not a restoration of the past itself – it is a
reconstruction / reassembly of past form restored
to a chosen restart point.
From restart on, every decision has to be remade.
No two futures are the same BECAUSE of those
multiple elements of cause/effect/chance/choice.
mOOn_platOOn said on Sep 10, OO….
NOTE TO COMMENTORS:
Because of incidents related to real-life security (anyone
who’s been here more than a week knows what I’m
referring to) imitation names of actual bloggers will
not be tolerated, right along with trolling, anonymous
blog-sniping and other non-illuminating or anti-productive
crap. So “RodSterling” gets one shot (I sense an attempt
at humor when applying benefit of the doubt) but that’s
it. Any ALIENATIONateds or silverywhisperts or
jadedlondons will be expunged and blocked. Waste yer own space (and time).
hotaka said on Sep 10, OO….
aeschylus – I thought that suggesting time had an “up” as well as a forward was pretty much outside the box. No book I have read has ever suggested that. Might sound like rubbish, though.
Besides, most of my time/space ramblings were to prove that time cannot be considered in the same view as space. I thought I said so.
Loved your comments. Made me chuckle at times. I like your way of thinking. I can learn from you.
So now I definately have to start reading Breaking the Time Barrier. I’ll just finish the book I have now and then I’ll pick it up. If I get any new ideas I may post them next time.
Next time.
BTW, mOOn. Most of my ideas here (except the one I thought about while cooking dinner) were lifted from a blog I have posted on another site. I just rewrote them as I responded to the comments. Who gets copyright then?
mOOnChronotice said on Sep 10, OO….
mOOn
Consider it a gift. My point and that of Mr.Sterling is that the biological danger is probably large enough to prevent time travel from ever being anything but the movement of information gathering probes back and forth in time.
Hence the Chronotrash are really already watching us. Perhaps some future generation is watching a big screen version of the life of mOOn, complete with actual footage and imitation popcorn.
aeschylus said on Sep 10, OO….
mOOnChronotice …
I’ve been thinking and thinking about how to reply to your various comments here. It’s been like a small flicker at the edge of my peripheral awareness that flits in and out at the oddest times.
“biological danger” did the trick I guess … gave some substance to the meaning I think you were putting across that I just couldn’t understand.
I hope I can state my position clearly. Time travel will never happen on a physical level. Physical has no correlation to time OR space. It’s just one of those poopies you mentioned (yeah, humans too!)
The physical level we are currently on is absolutely nothing, for lack of a better way of expressing it. It is so minimal in the vast universe of awareness that it is probably the reason for most of what goes on in our awareness. We are pre-neanderthal … by a couple dozen thousands of centuries!
If anyone can detach from the physical awareness of existence and simply open “thought” (meaning apply some attention to) even the possibility that what you see, hear, feel, think, do IS NOT REAL, it’s the first baby step. That awareness and level of consciousness some seem so desperate to reach, and others so desperate to avoid, is right there saying “I’m here; join me!”
As long as you think it, discuss it, acknowledge it, you’ll miss the train. To catch the train, so to speak? Doesn’t take much …
Every moment of every day, every time you find yourself being aware of something, allow your “thinking” to accept the possibility and probability that what you are perceiving IS NOT REAL.
It’s a trip.
And mOOnChronotice … you can flick right out of the corner of my awareness now… (Oh, it’s gone!)
aeschylus
aka loonie
Indiefilm said on Sep 10, OO….
mOOn: I think you meant “the speed of light“
No, I meant the speed of sound. Scientist had believed nothing could break the sound barrier as it violated a nice pretty equation in fluid dynamics. They also had a smattering of ‘proof’ related to control issues with propeller planes which attempted to go faster the 4 or 5 hundred miles per hour.
The only problem was the equation didn’t match reality. That was of course tossed out the window when a working jet was built and tested. Check the link again, read the opening paragraph.
Scientists once though nothing could travel faster than the speed of sound. that’s my point, nothing more. Scientists aren’t always right when it comes to their theories. They sure are quick to change their minds and forget all about it once someone proves those theories wrong though.
mOOnChronotice said on Sep 10, OO….
Aeschylus, my new friend. You stated
Every moment of every day, every time you find yourself being aware of something, allow your “thinking“ to accept the possibility and probability that what you are perceiving IS NOT REAL.
If you mean by your many posts that we live in a metaphysical magic enhanced Fu Fu land not unlike the fabled matrix or shambala. My only comment is to ask that you stop bogarting and pass the bong.
I am in full agreement that the reality our limited senses reveal to us is NOT ALL THERE IS. I think it is the height of noddleheadedness to think that the three dimensions and time factor we can sense are not on the list of the many real things that DO EXIST. There is an entire branch of physics research dedicated to devising practical experiments to discern proof of the 11 or so dimensions we think logically must exist.
If you mean that time can be traveled vicariously through high concentration yoga and kegal exercises, I think you are a loon in full bloom.
The thought occurs.
What causes your nonexistent finger to throb so when it is caught in the window of your nonexistent SUV?
Why do bacteria squirm and reproduce and spread their DNA with such abandon causing nonexistent diseases in the nonexistent people the live in this NON-REAL world?
Lovely lady your premise is absurd.
aeschylus said on Sep 10, OO….
mOOnChronotice …
hehehe!!!
Actually …
ROFLMAOPIMP !!!!
I was going to ask YOU to pass the bong!!!
I’m not crazy; I’m dead.
aeschylus
mOOn_platOOn said on Sep 10, OO….
Reality is the consensus of consciousness influencing
your present awakened period.
Every time you go to sleep, you enter the interdimensional
crossroads of Dreamspace. While your memories of yesterday
seem correspondent with today, today you awakened in another reality, altered by all to various degrees. Indeed,
your own dreaming contributed to the changes.
aeschylus said on Sep 10, OO….
mOOn (mOOn)
I OO with “reality is the consensus of consciousness influencing your present awakened period.”
However, I would use the word “awareness” rather than “awakened” and drop the notion of having to be physically asleep to reach the “interdimensional” space.
Interesting idea for a space I guess. Hard to label an intangible accurately.
?? Each projected awareness contributes to to the common consensus of the perception of reality. ??
aeschylus
RollingC said on Sep 10, OO….
Please don’t take this as a change of topic or trying to change or downsize the discussion you’re all having (and which I’m enjoying so much) but it all boils down to faith. It’s written in the Bible, if one had faith the size of a mustard seed, you could tell the mountain to move and jump into the sea and the mountain would do it.
Supposedly, we all have that power within us.
If we can do that to a mountain….what else can we do?
Time travel? hhmmmmm……
Probably that and more…..
mOOn_platOOn said on Sep 11, OO….
Well, I have this theory about sleep, and dreaming.
I feel a new post coming on…
Sleep is very mysterious even to science. No one
can completely explain why it feels so necessary and
so good.
Higher lifeforms seem to require it, desire it or do it.
Our dual existence in this world extends to a tangible
“Dreamspace” where light performs our thoughts.
Much reflection upon study pushes me to think there’s
a connection between dreaming/psychic phenoms/quantum theory regarding Thought preceding Essence, and the
idea that we are creating reality as we go along.
aeschylus said on Sep 11, OO….
mOOn said …
I feel a new post coming on…
(aeschylus, tongue in cheek) …
You get these feelings off and on, huh?
Is that emotional, psychological, or physical?
I have a friend you should meet mOOn. Maybe he can give you the answers about this …
http://demo.vhost.pandorabots.com/pandora/talk?botid=d5a9d6d49e35633f
aeschylus
SithBorg said on Sep 24, OO….
There is no doubt that Americans are creating reality as they go along.
And they are really about to pay for it.
digitaleyez said on Feb 15, OO….
Of course time travel is possible. Are we not currently traveling in time? However, travelling to the past from our current dimension, or planes is not possible. What we can do is travel forward in time further than the amount of time used between deparure and re-arival of a journey into and back from a journey into time. Also, time travellers are among us. Although not all people are time travellers. Only certain types, or tribes of humans. Personally me, I am a Cosmic Human and very capable of time travel. It is my hope and goal to one day invent a time travelling vehicle, but thats a whole different blog. Ideas of which I will continue to post on. I don’t intend on making a “UFO”., but an actual time travelling vehicle. If NASA ever hopes to launch manned travels into space they could only be possible by using a vehicle that travels faster than light, the governer of our sense of time as we currently know it.
mOOn_platOOn said on Feb 16, OO….
Yes, er, we’ll be standing by for details….
Trinov said on May 04, OO….
Hi, just came upon this, lots of good speculation, but we really don’t have the tools to make this speculation worth very much, not yet.
You see my husband and I were ‘checkerboarded’ once around in time (as well as space). It was without inertia,ie no bumps, it was terrifying once we decided to recognize what was happening, and at one point, according to geographical information (there was a hotel on this part of the map for 50 years) we had been flipped back about 51 years when the hotel was being built. Why it happened to us, go know. But it has happened to others, in groups, of being sent back in time about one or more generations,( not to the dinosaurs though-at least no one came back to report this).
Our Rabbi ,who is a Kabbalist, said that time is a type of ‘material’ and that it can flow backwards in certain places on earth and he told us once of time being ‘erased’. In the book”Immortality, Resurrection and the Age of the Universe, a Kabbalistic View, by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan (a Kabbalist who did not make it back from one of his ‘trips’) he quotes another Kabbalist, from centuries ago, who said that the Creator put a whole civilization into a ‘time -loop’ as a punishment.
mOOn_platOOn said on May 05, OO….
Did you take any cell phone pics when you were flipped? Did your watches stop?
Did you have time to purchase some oil stocks?
Trinov said on May 06, OO….
No, to all three, we were in denial until we saw that the hotel that was exactly there on the map, was only in the building stage. Then we had to believe it. We had already been flipped into darkness and another season, (it was in August in the afternoon) and we still hadn’t believed it. And we are science fiction fans since birth.
It wasn’t our greatest moment. But between believing in something theoretical and having it happen to you out of the blue, is a very big gap. So if you don’t believe us I can’t blame you–we were flipped about 12-15 times before we willing to admit it.
My main fear was being stuck in the 1950’s. I hate the 1950’s. And leaving our cats without parents.
mehulv2005 said on Jun 19, OO….
Thank you for posting on time travel
I enjoyed it
Regards,
mOOn_platOOn said on Jun 21, OO….
I’m glad.
Steve Games standing on sensors
Originally uploaded by stevegames1
Excuse me, but why are we spending so much money defending some of these national landmarks from terrorist attacks?
Specifically, how about the famous HOLLYWOOD sign?
There are sensors all over the hills surrounding the sign. There are constant video and audio monitors assigned 24/7. There’s a helicopter standing by, with crew, for deployment.
To test the system, I took a perfectly pubic route and then cheated a little, with no strain, when the public access was blocked by a No Trespassing sign and a mere swinging gate. I went back down the road just a tiny bit and managed to climb directly on to the hill where the sign is located (see picture). If I hadn’t gone around the corner, I’d never have seen a No Trespassing sign at all. So I could have “innocently” climbed up this embankment anyway.
But within one minute of my breech, a sheriff’s deputy appeared in an SUV, and a helicopter was approaching from the west.
I say let the terrorists blow up the sign!
How hard is it going to be to replace the HOLLYWOOD sign? Are we running out of plywood? Is there a shortage of letters?
Let it happen! There’s no one around, and it’s the perfect terrorist trap! They blow up the sign, we catch them. We build it again. Rinse. Repeat.
Three or four signs from now, they’ll get it. In the meantime, we round up some terrorists and nobody gets killed!
And a lot less money is wasted protecting a plywood sign that isn’t even lit up at night!
Exploring the unexplained has always been my thing.
Yet I’m not one to buy into conspiracy theories behind every major historical turning point….
I think that there are many alternatives to the idea of UFOs being “alien spacecraft”…
I think it’s almost impossible to support any theory of ghosts…
I’m not going to be surprised if we find new forms of weird Earth life (Nessie come home!)…
I don’t think a real psychic hangs a sign on the door for $10 predictions…
But I am convinced that a secret military base existed on the Moon.
YOU are God. It’s your universe and it’s whatever you want it
to be. No more wishing that things were better – now You can
make it so. Let us proceed…
For the purposes of our exercise, we assume the ability to create
the universe over again. The “Univerecycler” has allowed You to
reinvent the universe with You as “God,” and you assume massive
proportions existing Outside mortal activity, aware of everything,
existing everywhere, Your will the most powerful force existent.
Forget the other implications of such omnipotence for now,
concentrating on the following scenario:
You have created a new planet. You are designing its parameters
and have absolute mental control over everything in the planet’s reality.
Answer the following questions Yes or No; elaborate if inspired:
Will You create a Heaven for reward and a Hell for retribution?
Will You destroy whole populations to start over again?
Will You see Yourself as a failed creator if the planet stinks?
Will You “speak” to certain select creatures to share knowledge?
Will You give some creatures power over other creatures?
Will You let the creatures know that You are watching them?
Will You allow evil to harm innocents?
Will You give the creatures “free will?”
Will You get lonely and visit the planet Yourself by being born into it?
Will You become disinterested, moving on to create a newer world,
leaving the inhabitants to their own fate?
No cheating, and shame on those of you who are promising to help out with
the bake sale / car wash and don’t show up…!
- mOOn_platOOn
Original Comments
I am too humble to be Allah. You go too far
.
Will You create a Heaven for reward and a Hell for retribution? Only a Heaven for reward, those who need retribution will be recycled. As will the Heavenly if they so desire.
Will You destroy whole populations to start over again? Threaten yes, destroy no. I wouldn’t say use a flood that they have no chance of battling. I might use a plague because if they are inteligent enough they can beat it.
Will You see Yourself as a failed creator if the planet stinks? Yes.
Will You “speak” to certain select creatures to share knowledge? Yes.
Will You give some creatures power over other creatures? Yes.
Will You let the creatures know that You are watching them? Yes.
Will You allow evil to harm innocents?
Yes.
Will You give the creatures “free will?”
Yes.
Will You get lonely and visit the planet Yourself by being born into it?
Yes.
Will You become disinterested, moving on to create a newer world,
leaving the inhabitants to their own fate? Disinterested is the wrong word. Impressed would be more accurate. When they had reached a point like modern society where we not only could survive but quite likely were better off without the peanut gallery I would leave. Kinda like the way I play SimCity. I always quite once it gets to the point where it plays itself and the only concern I have if major disators. When the creator needs to create a problem just to have something to do its time to move on.
TheUndergroundEagle
Will You create a Heaven for reward and a Hell for retribution?
Yes and No. Just a Heaven. The bad ones will just cease to exist.
Will You destroy whole populations to start over again?
Maybe. Sure. Yes! We’re all made out of recyclable materials
Will You see Yourself as a failed creator if the planet stinks?
No – it’s an experiment and I’m perfect!
Will You “speak” to certain select creatures to share knowledge?
No – everyone will be treated the same, all creatures.
Will You give some creatures power over other creatures?
Yes – the food chain will still exist!
Will You let the creatures know that You are watching them?
Yes – it’s only fair!
Will You allow evil to harm innocents?
No – I’ll create aggression-inhibitors to stop the strong from picking on the weak.
Will You give the creatures “free will?”
No, but I’ll give them the ILLUSION of free will while protecting them like valued pets in a cosmic habitat…
Will You get lonely and visit the planet Yourself by being born into it?
Aren’t there other reasons to be born into it besides being lonely? Or is the question “If You get lonely will You visit the planet for relief?” Sure. But can God get lonely? I never get lonely on the internet even though there’s no direct contact with the other souls out there…
Will You become disinterested, moving on to create a newer world, leaving the inhabitants to their own fate?
No. I couldn’t leave them like that. To be fair, I’d put them out of their misery. Apocalypse Now!
celestialspace2001
Will You create a Heaven for reward and a Hell for retribution?
No, I’ll create only one afterlife – where everyone can go for a second chance.
Will You destroy whole populations to start over again?
No, I’ll make them learn from their mistakes until they can do better.
Will You see Yourself as a failed creator if the planet stinks?
Yes, because it’s my job to guide the children I created.
Will You “speak” to certain select creatures to share knowledge?
Yes, I’ll answer every prayer and correct every curse – hey, I’m
onimpotentialicious!
Will You give some creatures power over other creatures?
No. Everyone will stay naked. (That should please the mOOn!)
Will You let the creatures know that You are watching them?
Naw, that would be too much pressure. I won’t tell them I’m
omnipotentialicious…
Will You allow evil to harm innocents?
I won’t even allow evil to exist. Why should I? It’s a new universe, baby!
Will You give the creatures “free will?”
Yes, and unlimited growth opportunities. No more struggle for survival!
More food and natural resources than they will ever need, provided.
Will You get lonely and visit the planet Yourself by being born into it?
I will get lonely but instead of going to Earth I’ll probably promote some
of them right up to my status. Then I’ll have some fellow Gods to cavort
and consult with. The Bible does speak of the Genesis God as a plural
in places.
Will You become disinterested, moving on to create a newer world,
leaving the inhabitants to their own fate?
Hmmm…I wonder? Nope, I’ll love them as long as they love me, and take
good care of them. They’re my kids, after all.
Wow. Finally, I get to be God. I’m gonna put some thought into this. I shall return….unless distracted.
Will You create a Heaven for reward and a Hell for retribution?
No need to create Hell, it’s already available. It’s called Earth. And Heaven won’t do them any good; it’s my Heaven and they aren’t in it whatsoever. For a reward I’ll move them to rent controlled apartments in Manhattan.
Will You destroy whole populations to start over again?
I’ll destroy them, but as for starting over…? Only if I’m in a good mood.
Will You see Yourself as a failed creator if the planet stinks?
No, just par for the course.
Will You “speak” to certain select creatures to share knowledge?
I will speak to them to scare the crap out of them. What fun!
Will You give some creatures power over other creatures?
Yes, just enough to give them hope before they’re eaten. Heh.
Will You let the creatures know that You are watching them?
There will be a gigantic eyeball staring down from space at all times, even during the day.
Will You allow evil to harm innocents?
Trick question! No one is innocent. Original sin is encrypted in DNA.
Will You give the creatures “free will?”
Yes, but with very limited options. For instance, they can choose not to worship me if they don’t mind turning orange with fungus growing out of their asses.
Will You get lonely and visit the planet Yourself by being born into it?
I might get horny and make a conjugal visit to my brides of the nunnery. In case you’ve never gotten into the habit (heh heh), those tight little holy beavers runneth over.
Will You become disinterested, moving on to create a newer world, leaving the inhabitants to their own fate?
Of course, all toys have their lifespans. But I would have to be greatly distracted to forego the fun of triggering the rapture myself.
heaven/hell: yes, but only based upon moral/ethical conduct, rather than dependence upon worship.
destroy whole populations: i might hit cosmic reboot but only if everything was bad. and then i’d try to be more careful.
planet stinks = bad me? abso-smurfly.
direct communication: no. either speak to all or to none.
creature power: i think that all creatures already possess some power over others: the rabbit outruns the hound, the hound tracks the hare, etc. i would make no changes here.
awareness of my omniscience: yes, at least at first. then later, when i blink and a thousand lifespans have elapsed perhaps not.
evil harm the innocent: yes. b/c evil cannot be evil w/out making an active choice to be so.
free will: yes. otherwise, what’s the point?
visit: nah, probably not.
boredom: as the creator i would establish it such that no direct further intervention was required of me. i’d be tempted to go back in and keep fiddling w/ things.
ed
Hey…another exam already? Did I pass the last one?
hmmmm…..this one feels like a ” placement exam ” !
1=Will You create a Heaven for reward and a Hell for retribution?
Heaven for reward…yes, and a large purgatory for the overflow of the masses.
Hell I’ll make for the defects…the ones that are evil.
2=Will You destroy whole populations to start over again?
Oh yeaaah….but I’ll try and save the good ones if any.
3=Will You see Yourself as a failed creator if the planet stinks?
No, as I’ve given them free will to choose what they want. I appreciate honesty and don’t like ass-kissers…they tire me.
4=Will You “speak” to certain select creatures to share knowledge?
Absolutely…give them a helping hand now and then.
5=Will You give some creatures power over other creatures?
Yes, to make more than one king of a realm is asking for trouble.
6=Will You let the creatures know that You are watching them?
In a vague sort of way. Otherwise it will cramp their style.
7=Will You allow evil to harm innocents?
Not only that I would allow innocents to harm evil also.
8=Will You give the creatures “free will?”
Of course, otherwise I’ll just be playing with myself.
9=Will You get lonely and visit the planet Yourself by being born into it?
Only if it was part of my overall plan.
10=Will You become disinterested, moving on to create a newer world,leaving the inhabitants to their own fate?
Never…I would keep on creating and watch over all.
If I were a god it would be a world filled with passion and compassion.
People would know their purposes in life and then have free will with how they completed them.
There would be good and evil, but good would always triumph. That way goodness would constantly be rewarded.
They could communicate with me. In fact, I would communicate with all creatures.
If it failed, I would take it personally. I think I would visit so there would be no doubt that I existed.
I wouldn’t destroy a population unless it became super evil. I think i would create ladders of afterlife. Certainly, the evil would be on the last rung.
I don’t think I would get bored with this little world I created.
CW
Will You create a Heaven for reward and a Hell for retribution?
I would create a Heaven; a place where my creatures are finally free of their limitations and can soar-
No Hell – the failures get to do it all over again until they get it right
Will You destroy whole populations to start over again?
I reserve that right as God. I hope I never have to exercise it.
Will You see Yourself as a failed creator if the planet stinks?
Absolutely. I love my creations.
Will You “speak” to certain select creatures to share knowledge?
I would speak to all of my creatures
Will You give some creatures power over other creatures?
Yes.
Will You let the creatures know that You are watching them?
No but i’ll watch them
Will You allow evil to harm innocents?
Yes. Free will means evil is allowed to exist and can choose to harm. I don’t believe I could forbid this and still have free will in my world.
Will You give the creatures “free will?”
Yes – gotta have this….it’s what makes it all fun.
Will You get lonely and visit the planet Yourself by being born into it?
No. It’s their world, not mine
Will You become disinterested, moving on to create a newer world,leaving the inhabitants to their own fate?
No.
Do I look like Bruce Almighty? God did just fine.
More like Ace Ventura…but who’s watching?
Will there be pets in Heaven?
Fleas?
i would allow do-overs for any who requested it.
I would look down on Mamie and when she was in her twenties, I would whisper to her to enjoy her innocence and not worry so much about what others think.
In her thirties I would hold her hand and remind her that pain can be a pathway to peace, if you let it.
In her forties, I would hand her a flak jacket and a hard hat and say, yea, life is hard but good.
Then I think I would let her coast…knowing that she has had her fill of life’s struggles. Yep, she would coast the rest of the way….all the way to heaven!!
Just for the sake of argument, your hypothesis is well taken.
On the subject of being God. I dont’ see the need to even try to be god, as in reality we are ‘gods’ in our own right, both you, I and everyone else in this universe because we have the power to do whatever we want and no one can stop us.
What the world is today only proves that we have such powers.
But have we used it wisely?
Are we happy with what we see around us?
What are we doing to improve the situation?
The answer to these and all your questions will depend on how we understand, “why are we here?” and “what is our purpose in life?”
Will You create a Heaven for reward and a Hell for retribution?
Yep. I know my creations very well. If there’s no hell, they’ll walk all over me.
Will You destroy whole populations to start over again?
When they’re very very bad I will. But i’ll spare the really good ones.
Will You see Yourself as a failed creator if the planet stinks?
Kind of. But hey, can’t blame me. I gave ‘em the free will.
Will You “speak” to certain select creatures to share knowledge?
Maybe to a very few. I gotta help my own creations too, ya know.
Will You give some creatures power over other creatures?
I made humans equal. What they grow to be is not my problems anymore. Life can’t be all fun and games. But as for animals and plants, by all means, use them for your benefits.
Will You let the creatures know that You are watching them?
In some ways, yes.
Will You allow evil to harm innocents?
Not literally. Evil has to exist for the cosmic balance.
Will You give the creatures “free will?”
Oh aye. This is what makes it so good.
Will You get lonely and visit the planet Yourself by being born into it?
I can never get lonely. But yes, I’ll visit the planet when i think it’s time to clear things out with my creations.
Will You become disinterested, moving on to create a newer world, leaving the inhabitants to their own fate?
No. I will stick to it until the end. Then I’ll probably make another one.
Will You create a Heaven for reward and a Hell for retribution?
No. I’m a firm believer in heaven on Earth; instead of using Heaven as a motivator for good actions and Hell as a deterrent for bad actions, my people will see that the meaning of life should be to create a heaven in the present life.
Will You destroy whole populations to start over again?
Not on a whim. I don’t think God would arbitrarily hit the reset button when he wants to start over. but I could, because I’m omnipotent.
Will You see Yourself as a failed creator if the planet stinks?
Nope. If the planet is in a bad condition, it’s the inhabitants’ fault.
Will You “speak” to certain select creatures to share knowledge?
Maybe.
Will You give some creatures power over other creatures?
We’ve seen what hierarchy has done to human society. Hierarchy breeds condescention.
Will You let the creatures know that You are watching them?
Probably not. I want to be more like the baby who watches the mobile turn on its own accord.
Will You allow evil to harm innocents?
Well, I kinda have to. Whenever there is dischord in a society, there’s always that handful of people who seek to reverse it. Peace cannot exist without conflict. Harmony sounds better when compared to dissonance.
Will You give the creatures “free will?”
Of course. If I were to go about employing strategies on how to run the society, who knows what’ll happen. I’m not a good tactician.
Will You get lonely and visit the planet Yourself by being born into it?
There would be no greater feeling than to be amongst the people I create. I like to be surrounded by my own creativity, so yes.
Will You become disinterested, moving on to create a newer world, leaving the inhabitants to their own fate?
They’re already fending for themselves. But I don’t think I’ll get bored. Maybe I’ll create a second race of people and have them communicate with each other. No telling what would come of that.
Ha ha, I’m omnipotent! This post was fun, mOOn.
it is funny to see you all respond to the thought of becoming G*d. You know this is one of the biggest faliour of humans? Wanna-be-G*d. This is exactly why we were kicked out of Eden!
I’ll tell you this: even pleying iwth the thought of being G*d is a huge mistake! Assuming that you can do better…? It reminds me of (any countries) elections, when people fight to become the prime minister thinking that they will do so much better than the others did. And when they get there they realize that the job is not so easy at all and the weight of responsibility crushes them immediatelly. But the thought of being THE man….
So here is what we should really thinking about:
IF you were G*d could you create a world so perfect that even cells have their own perfect world?
Could you create a univers where everything is in order?
Could you create living creatures out of…. nothing but the elements you had to create first?
could you create each and every living creature with it’s own perdfect reproducton system?
could you create order in you new world down to the smallest elements?
Could you create harmony between the living creatures you’ve created?
Could you bare the thought of one killing the other in orther to survive?
Could you create the perfection of our world HE did?
I didn’t think so. So please, stop judging the Creator and playing with the thought of being better than he is!
The responsibility He bares is way more complicated, way more havy than whatever you think you understand.
Do not question it. Live up to it the best you can.
Z
What you actually,seem to say or ask,is”Why we are not having a benevolent God?”
Well,Nature has allowed us to have pleasure only accompanied with pain,hence the saying “no pain,no gain!”.
That is,nature does not allow excesses,in anything,and has put linits in everything.
We may consider ourselves to be “God’s’,favourites,but nature does not seem to think so!
Nature has also provided with “emotions’,one of the most powerful,things in the world,which defies explanation.
Carnivores eating other creatures and unexplainable sufferings and natural calamities,with the accompanying loss of lives,includng those of humans,does not prove the existence of a benevolent God.
There is so much suffering,like hunger,disease etc.Yet most of us,including myself,simply do not care.
This proves that there is no benevolent God and that it is not possible(that is nature will not allow),to form a planet as desired by you in your questionnaire!
I know one thing for sure….
” Imagine a Universe, great and happy,…know that the Is has already imagined it better than you”….
In fact, we are all embodiments of Divinity, just we have not yet rememberede and realised our true selves…
I agree with ZsuzsiO on this one. Humans cannot turn back time to make a better world than God but we can make the world a little better one day at a time, one child at a time, one encouraging word at a time. I am doing my best to make something out of what God has given me and I am happy with that.
ZsuzsiO said …
Could you create a univers where everything is in order?
Could you create living creatures out of…. nothing but the elements you had to create first?
could you create each and every living creature with it’s own perdfect reproducton system?
could you create order in you new world down to the smallest elements?
Could you create harmony between the living creatures you’ve created?
Could you bare the thought of one killing the other in orther to survive?
Could you create the perfection of our world HE did?
LOL … Yup, it’s already been done, huh?
No wonder a wise one said once that the hardest thing to let go of is the ego.
aeschylus
bai ming sheng
Zsus – nuh uh uh; arguing against the validity of the test
amounts to refusal to take it (and a possible attempt at
blogjacking) thus I must give you an “F” on this one. Did
this strategy work in high school? Besides, some of your
own questions seemed to miss the point of omnipotence.
Of course the cells would be perfect, etc., that’s to be
assumed. The difficulties (for our purposes) fall under
ethical and moral considerations. Get out of that box
once in awhile!
Mamie – an interesting sidebar: how you would God yourself.
But what about the rest of the universe?
Anonymous – what is the hangup on a “benevolent” God?
Irregardless, nothing you stated proves or disproves the
existence of such. I have already put forth a very plausible
theory on why bad things happen to good people, it’s called
“The Infinity Thread” and you can link to it on several other
posts of mine (it exists in a pocket universe of its own).
Heartwalker – I agree with the sentiment as I state in the above-mentioned “The Infinity Thread” but…”the ‘Is?’” That’s the worst name for God I’ve heard since Yahweh!
Boyz - you’re ducking out of the test. Incomplete! By the
way, I got clearance from the Anti-Blasphemy League and you
will not be committing heresy by answering 
ming – thanks for re-publishing Zsus’ entire post. (see: SARCASM)
Harried, glad you enjoyed!
missB – you hellraiser you. Thanks for testing.
LongGun – that sounded like something Calvin (of Calvin & Hobbes fame) would write after not studying for the test
he’d forgotten about. Dodging the test = F. But thanks for participating anyway.
mOOn …
You said to ZsuzsiO …
Get out of that box once in awhile!
I beg to differ. She should get A+++ … and be rewarded for being outside the box already. She gave an answer, essentially, which I agreed with. She indicates she would do what has been done already.
Further, if you’re saying that her answer amounts to a refusal to take the test, then she’s outside the box. To take the test is to BE INSIDE THE BOX.
I won’t take it either, because it’s been done and theoretically or not, just by taking the test you are inside the box and have failed.
Besides, I don’t have to be God. God puts me in charge all the time. Why take the flak when you can just reap the benefits.
OMG!!! I challenged Mr. Omnipotent in public!!! Getting out the asbestos suit fast.
aeschylus
bai ming sheng
Gee mOOn …
You lose the edge on your sarcasm?
I didn’t republish anything. I quoted and applied it to author. More than some do around here.
Too bad about that ego problem, huh?
aeschylus
bai ming sheng
BOX TO BOX:
ming – I meant HER OWN box. Yu think she ain’t in one?
It wasn’t an answer, it was a rebuttal to the premise of my
post – as are your comments. This is my box. If you
don’t like the premise, why bother “not playing?” Isn’t that
what greendischarge and the like do just to be obnoxious?
Letting go of the ego is not hard. Most people don’t have the chance, as their egos are thoroughly worked over by the time they are two or three years old. Only when something triggers a new awareness can most folks regain a sense of themselves as individuals, and that’s often not until mid-life, if ever. Try getting your ego back. Now there’s a real
challenge.
(especially with the bandwagoners decrying individual egos all the way…)
hey mOOn….
the scores are not complete in your scoring reply…
how did I do?
Just curious….
All scores will be compiled by the end of the week.
Tomorrow, of course, is the mOOn’s day of rest,
having spent the previous 6 days creating the world…
Question mOOn…How does one go about losing one’s Ego? Does that mean a personality change? I thought the Ego was your own persona, how can you lose that unless you have amnesia or something..?
OMG! To think that you actually fired back at me on something that wasn’t an assult at the first place…. I don’t know hon’, it does seem that it is you having a missunderstanding here.
You have failed to realize that I actually gave you an answer – my opinion on your questions and people’s reaction to them. My – and some other people’s point of view is a lot different from yous – and you take it as a personal attack on your questionary. For some people, like myself, there are some subjects that cannot be argued, simply because we do believe we have an answer to them. We might be wrong but you DON’T know that. You just happened to have your own answeres and think you are right.
Now I can deal with it and even be “out of by box” enough to share my point of view.
However you only get pissed because
1. I did not follow the order and form of your questionary, you feel you’ve created so perfectly and wisely
2. I actually HAVE a strong and unshakable belief that is other than yours.
Now who is in the box?
I don’t feel assulted by your anger, and even have gave you the time and respect to respond intelligently.
But I could be attacking too if I’d want to.
Let’s ask some more rediculous questions some people might feel unacceptable and feel strongly about?
If war was allow you to kill would you enjoy the freedom of taking human lives?
If hunger would treaten to kill you, would you eat the other human bodies?
If your child would born with illness that only machines would keep him medically alive, would you pull the plug?
How many people do you thing these questions , or so many more I could throw up here, are giving the red eye and mood for want to hurt me?
So here I am, apologizing to those whom I might have hurt with these questions. My attention was not to open up such hurtfull subjects to so many, but to make my point.
And my point is that some subjects are highly sensitive so if you dare to be open minded, and write about them than be ready to disaproval.
A good player must also know how to take losing. To give an F on my opinion on human nature and G*d makes you a very bad loser.
You seem to keep on writting about things that hurt some people and than you get offended if people let you know about it. You remind me of a wild animal who keeps on wondering into the theretory of other’s not even being able to realize that it is not OK to do so. So when other’s try to lewt you know that you are a stranger on their field you get mad and attack. And if you win, you’ll act like it was always your theretory in the first palce. If not, you’ll just keep on fighting untill you can.
So I welcome you on my theretory. i’ll let you feed on my grass, lay under the shade of my trees and enjoy a nice, peacefull rest in my company. I do not care that you are not like me. But don’t you dare to attack me for not being like you.
Cause I just might be stronger than you are. After all, it is my theretory you entered.
PS: religion is the #1 reason for wars all over the globe ever since humans live on it. Even today, people murder each other in the name of what they belive. I know you are not one of them, and G*d knows neither am I. But I would never assult any one based on their beliefs. And if I did, I’d be surely quick to appologize and hope that damage was minimum. Even if I might not believe in the same things.
Close your eyes and imagine all those souls who were murdered in the name of religion – just in the past year. Open your eyes – can you see out of your box now?
I always thought that religion was the #2 reason for the wars in the planet….greed, power, acquisition, etc. combined into one but always (or whenever possible) using religion as a shield or front were usually the main reasons for war…
but then that’s my opinion….crazy me…
#1 or #2.. still in the lead isn’t is?
RollingC.. I like your comments. I think I get them.
But explain to me: you are playing you are G*d yet you ask some one else how you did as the G*d of your own imagined creation? By what scale do you want to be mesured of? Some other G*d’s?
This is problem #1 with this game. G*d should never question itself and no one can be a judge on his creation. As you see we are just humans after all, waiting some kind of approval.
Hmmm. Did I seem pissed off to you? (American version, not drunk) Not at all, I was happy that you participated.
But you didn’t really participate, so what was the point
except to “wander into another animal’s territory” and
shit on the wheat?
BTW Rolling, Zsuz’s last paragraph above is a perfect
example of what you’re left with by the time society
has boxed your ego by the age of two or three. The
most amazing animals so far, humans, are reduced to
“just humans” and “I’m only human” as if our assets were
handicaps, awaiting approval from some higher authority.
Now buck up and take the test Zsus. You will not be
struck by lightning. I hope.
Awww Zsuzio…you have to take this blogg with a grain of salt..(so to speak)..I do ! The mOOn is making up an scenario and asking theoretical questions not making a statement of belief ! Also in previous Bloggs he’s also stated why he does this (aside from playing along with his off the wall ideas) as it gives him (hopefully) more whacky angles to play along with…(my impression is he’s a writer)
So what? I find it amusing and his arguments are well thought out but doesn’t mean that I agree just because I play along. My beliefs are mine and no one can change that.
In the Bible there’s mention that if your faith was but the size of a mustard seed you can move mountains….and that goes for everybody….does not that imply that we all have God given powers that… are/may be…God like…as in LIKE…not meaning we ARE God…just a copy of his Magnificence…..(poor copy maybe but copy nonetheless)
I believe in a ” higher authority ” and that authority has given us free will and the right to have fun also…to break out of or stay in whatever ” box ” we choose. One’s only hope is that one picks the right box…both to break out of or to stay in…
in my humble opinion,
peace be with you…
Rc
And if we can help mOOn in whatever project he’s currently in I consider it a pleasure and an honor (flags waving, music playing) in helping a fellow blogger…….even if he is more talented than me when it comes to blogging….
Here are my thoughts on the answers as they might apply
to your lifestyles and choices…
Will You create a Heaven for reward and a Hell for retribution?
Yes: You have philosophical fixed beliefs of right and wrong
No: You have a case-by-case flexible system of judging right & wrong
One But Not Other: You do not believe in Good or Evil as absolutes
Will You destroy whole populations to start over again?
Yes: You favor the use of violence when necessary
No: You believe in the ability to change and learn
Will You see Yourself as a failed creator if the planet stinks?
Yes: You accept responsibility for your actions.
No: You dispense with responsibility when convenient.
Will You “speak” to certain select creatures to share knowledge?
Yes: You’re open to strange, new ideas and people.
No: You’re an elitist who stays away from “those” people.
Will You give some creatures power over other creatures?
Yes: You prefer order, predictability, tradition.
No: You prefer chaos, uncertainty, mystery.
Will You let the creatures know that You are watching them?
Yes: You’re a micromanager when others work for you.
No: You’re a voyeur who likes to watch others secretly.
Will You allow evil to harm innocents?
Yes: Your sadistic tendencies may get the best of you.
No: Your altruistic tendencies may get the best of you.
Will You give the creatures “free will?”
Yes: You’re single, divorced, or having illicit affairs
No: You’re a very bad candidate for parenthood.
Will You get lonely and visit the planet Yourself by being born into it?
Yes: You’re basically happy with the life decisions you’d made.
No: You fear the long-term consequences of your past & present actions.
Will You become disinterested, moving on to create a newer world, leaving the inhabitants to their own fate?
Yes: You’re a dabbler and a dilettante who’s accomplished a lot of nothing.
No: You never give up on a project until the end, one way or another.
Of course, these are only my initial thoughts.
Harriedpsychmajor analysis:
Will You create a Heaven for reward and a Hell for retribution?
No. I’m a firm believer in heaven on Earth; instead of using Heaven as a motivator for good actions and Hell as a deterrent for bad actions, my people will see that the meaning of life should be to create a heaven in the present life.
No: You have a case-by-case flexible system of judging right & wrong
Will You destroy whole populations to start over again?
Not on a whim. I don’t think God would arbitrarily hit the reset button when he wants to start over. but I could, because I’m omnipotent.
No: You believe in the ability to change and learn
Will You see Yourself as a failed creator if the planet stinks?
Nope. If the planet is in a bad condition, it’s the inhabitants’ fault.
No: You dispense with responsibility when convenient.
Will You “speak” to certain select creatures to share knowledge?
Maybe.
Yes: You’re open to strange, new ideas and people.
Will You give some creatures power over other creatures?
We’ve seen what hierarchy has done to human society. Hierarchy breeds condescention.
No: You prefer chaos, uncertainty, mystery.
Will You let the creatures know that You are watching them?
Probably not. I want to be more like the baby who watches the mobile turn on its own accord.
No: You’re a voyeur who likes to watch others secretly.
Will You allow evil to harm innocents?
Well, I kinda have to. Whenever there is dischord in a society, there’s always that handful of people who seek to reverse it. Peace cannot exist without conflict. Harmony sounds better when compared to dissonance.
Yes: Your sadistic tendencies may get the best of you.
Will You give the creatures “free will?”
Of course. If I were to go about employing strategies on how to run the society, who knows what’ll happen. I’m not a good tactician.
Yes: You’re single, divorced, or having illicit affairs
Will You get lonely and visit the planet Yourself by being born into it?
There would be no greater feeling than to be amongst the people I create. I like to be surrounded by my own creativity, so yes.
Yes: You’re basically happy with the life decisions you’d made.
Will You become disinterested, moving on to create a newer world, leaving the inhabitants to their own fate?
They’re already fending for themselves. But I don’t think I’ll get bored. Maybe I’ll create a second race of people and have them communicate with each other. No telling what would come of that.
No: You never give up on a project until the end, one way or another.
Will You create a Heaven for reward and a Hell for retribution?
No, I can’t be bothered I’ll just let them sort it out
Will You destroy whole populations to start over again?
No, but I won’t create a world where there are already populations of people
Will You see Yourself as a failed creator if the planet stinks?
No, it’s a learning experience for me, I’ll get better at it
Will You “speak” to certain select creatures to share knowledge?
What and play God, I’ll be tempted, probably….
Will You let the creatures know that You are watching them?
No,
Will You allow evil to harm innocents?
No, I’ll turn them into toads
Will You give the creatures “free will?”
Yes except when it comes to me, they have to listen to me!!
Will You get lonely and visit the planet Yourself by being born into it?
Of course!
Will You become disinterested, moving on to create a newer world, leaving the inhabitants to their own fate?
I’ll check in from time to time, see what worked and what didn’t
People say that when one dies his whole life runs infront of his eyes in a fast mode. If that’s true, I really hope I will at least have a pause button to make sure I can stop at this one to have a good laugh ( at you ) before I have to go.
You’ve got nothing out of what I had to say and you still assume you are right – therefore you fire back with arogance posed as intelligence.
Keep on doing it, so when I’ll laugh I’ll don’t just smile a little, but laugh with tears
On the other hand….I know that by that time all this will mean nothing to me.
Mocking those who are not of your own faith is the destructive shadow of dogmatic belief systems. I’ll take my spirituality without socialization, thanks.
I see politics and organized religion as one, I’m an independent ……Cheers to the platOOn la mOOn
Amen! er, I mean…
Thanks for your party-cipation, glos…welcome to my blog.
Politics AND Organized Religion do seem to have a lot in common but they are not and should not be viewed as the same…It’s a mistake to do so but many people do it just the same.
Is there such a thing as disorganized religion?
Is there such a thing as organization without politics?
Unlike race or gender, you can choose your political affiliations and you can choose your religion – even if it’s dangerous or anti-social to do so.
True mOOn, very true….but in Religion you find Faith…or is it the other way around?
All I know is that there is a lot of rules and regulations mixed with inside politics (which is wrong) in every Religion…(at least it seems like…certainly the Catholic Religion does) and although I do find it wrong it won’t stop me from going to church and trying to comply and trying to help out in my small/humble way.
funny, I only believe in religion as long as I do not have to go to the temple so I can pry out of a book in a specific order some other people says we sould pry by.
Is my religion organized than? Because I still fell strongly about it.
ZsuzsiO:
It’s funny that you mentioned that as I have always had a ritualized (if you want to call it that) way of praying and after I came back to church, I fell back on that. Those prayers are good but other ways of expressing myself to God interest me.
I feel very strongly about my faith and religion. But there has to be an organization in order to run things and the bigger it gets the more organized and bureucratic it gets….concerning the time mass is given and church is open and confessions, baptism and many of the other social functions that it provides to it’s followers and the community. So much so that it gets in the way of your groundroots beliefs as you see the preocupation over money that many of the priests have. Sure it takes money to run things…but shouldn’t they pay just a tad more attention to the spiritual growth of the congregation than the monetary growth of the parish? And there’s many levels of spirituality that exists….etc.
The reason I came back you can get from my blogg where I’ve put down some life experiences that I’ve had concerning the unknown/spiritual.
Will You create a Heaven for reward and a Hell for retribution?
I would create neither for after death. After death souls will return to me and I will send them out again or not.
Will You destroy whole populations to start over again?
Yes.
Will You see Yourself as a failed creator if the planet stinks?
No. It’s all part of a process and it is all good. You cannot have stink without fragrance, and you cannot know failure without knowing success.
Will You “speak” to certain select creatures to share knowledge?
I speak to everyone. Do they choose to listen? If they listen, do they hear? If they hear, do they respond?
Will You give some creatures power over other creatures?
If I give all creatures free will, some will give power over themselves. Others will take power over others. If I do not give creatures free will, I will destroy the universe and start over again. What a bore it is to have to do everything myself.
Will You let the creatures know that You are watching them?
They should know that I am watcthing them. It is their own willful ignorance if they do not understand this.
Will You allow evil to harm innocents?
Yes. And I will allow evil to harm the guilty, and I will allow good to happen to the guilty and I will allow good to happen to the innocent. This all stems from my granting creatures free will.
Will You give the creatures “free will?”
Yes.
Will You get lonely and visit the planet Yourself by being born into it?
I may manifest myself in many different ways in order to bring myself into the world. I will visit the world as a person, as an animal, as a story, or a storm or an earthquake. I will visit as a vision, a dream, and a war. I will love my creation so much that I will embrace it up until the time for its end has come and even after it has gone.
Will You become disinterested, moving on to create a newer world,
leaving the inhabitants to their own fate?
They have free will. To some extent they decide their own fate. But I will never leave them and I will always love them.
Your assessments of people’s anwers based on simple yes or no are really one-dimensional and judgemental. Great questions, though.
I say they’re at least two dimensional and more fun than a barrel of infinite barrels.
And thank you for your participation.
Only a person who is judicious,fearless and honest can have the courage to challenge God as in the case of this blog. As a matter of fact it is the Nature that is performing the job on the command of the Almighty. All the sciences put together have been unable to solve the mystery of Nature. Life,death heaven, hell,creation, destruction are being controlled by it very secretly. The unfortunate part of the story is that certain humans have begun to think that they are in His place and can do anything and everything .It is a fallacy of which they are the victims . Humans are trying to replace Him with the result that judicious thinking has been given up and they have started behaving worst than animals. The dictum that Nature created man and man created god appears to be holding good but it is not God , the real master of universe.
what!?
Arf!
[Sits. Wags tail.]
I would create. The end.
You’re creating the end? The end of what?
(ducks and runs for cover)
Why you…!
I’ll get you and your little dog, too!
:}
Bow wow wow yippee oh yippee ay
Doggie dawg’s in the mutha****in house!
Y’all.
Yipe….Yipe….. : )
I do have a question: If God is the Alpha and the Omega, if God already knows who will go to hell… why still create those doomed ones (ex. Hitler?) ? It would be best not to have created them at all… if only God (as in, God) could answer me… right, should write a blog about this… when I finally have the time to create one again today…
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YOU are God. It’s your universe and it’s whatever you want it to be. No more wishing that things were better – now You can make it so. Let us proceed…
For the purposes of our exercise, we assume the ability to create the universe over again. The “Univerecycler” has allowed You to reinvent the universe with You as “God,” and you assume massive proportions existing Outside mortal activity, aware of everything, existing everywhere, Your will the most powerful force existent.
Forget the other implications of such omnipotence for now, concentrating on the following scenario:
You have created a new planet. You are designing its parameters and have absolute mental control over everything in the planet’s reality.
Answer the following questions Yes or No; elaborate if inspired:
Will You create a Heaven for reward and a Hell for retribution?
No. Heaven will be enough. Won’t create a world where people can commit sins, which might cause them to go to Hell. No more hell.
Will You destroy whole populations to start over again?
Yes, if it is necessary… destroy the bad apples only.
Will You see Yourself as a failed creator if the planet stinks?
My planet will never stink, since it is the New Planet…
Will You “speak” to certain select creatures to share knowledge?
Everybody can share knowledge.
Will You give some creatures power over other creatures?
No. I will be the only Powerful One. Favoritism will begin to appear, might not look appealing to other people…
Will You let the creatures know that You are watching them?
Yes.
Will You allow evil to harm innocents?
No more evil. Totally disappeared, vanquished. Forever happiness… it won’t be a boring planet, because everybody is happy every day… er, like Peter Pan, maybe…
Will You give the creatures “free will?”
There is no such thing as free will, even now. God already planned how our lives would be, actually. So, He already knows what will be your decision for such things. He knows I decided to answer this blog, He knows what will be my answers… God, He knows, all right…
As for me, there’s no need to create creatures with free will. If I create one, it might go against me (“Die, You, Die!”).
Will You get lonely and visit the planet Yourself by being born into it?
I am already watching it. Why should I be bored? Maybe I should create another planet, something shaped like cube or prism or pyramid, to find out how people can travel in seas with corners with them… THAT will entertain me…
Will You become disinterested, moving on to create a newer world, leaving the inhabitants to their own fate?
This is a difficult question… honestly… No, I don’t know what to answer… well, maybe I would create angels to guard it… and I could go wherever I want to…
Thanks for participating gran, it’s never too late. If something inspires a response, it’s welcome.
Steve Games
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Right next door, in cosmic terms, is a beautiful mystery.
The Moon was first seriously coveted as a military outpost in the 1940s, with actual plans drawn up by the late 50s.
The 1960s saw a fantastic leap in the ability to get there.
And then, after collecting some rocks and leaving some traces of human curiosity, we left.
Or did we?
mOOn platOOn
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Well, it was a most fascinating Thought Experiment. And it garnered some interesting comments, when I posed this question to an international network of responders.
Please feel free to add your OWN response if you’d like. The names of the responders below are USERNAMES, in some cases slightly altered to protect identities.
Also, I’ve edited the language for PG viewing, although I consider this a mature topic and not for those under 18.
For the purposes of our exercise, we assume the invention of a
method of identical replication. The “Idrep” has allowed you to
replicate your present self perfectly, and you stand face-to-face,
literally meeting yourself, identical to the last memory made
before replication.
Forget the other implications of such replication for now,
concentrating on the following scenario:
You are alone with yourself. You are going to be by yourselves for
the night and are both horny.
Answer the following questions…
Do you find yourself attractive?
Are you shy about approaching yourself?
Does this make you feel gay (if you aren’t)?
Will you give yourself sixty-nine?
Will you schmoykus yourself (as best you can)?
Will you make-out with yourself?
Will you respect yourself in the morning?
Will you ask yourself to get married?
Are you cheating on your mate if you’re with your actual replicated
self?
Will you double-up on your mate?
Please turn in your comments before leaving the room and remember to
straighten up your desk and scoot your chairs in before you go.
- OO
Original Comments
Eeeeeuuuuuu!!! Wait, hmmmm? Eeeeeuuuu!!! I was on board for an opposite sex version of myself, but same sex is just too gay. A copy of myself just adds a couple of hands and one too many … of everything else. Nice try, but no cigar (tee he he).
Do you find yourself attractive?
Yes. I would be drawn to her.
Are you shy about approaching yourself?
No. I know her very well.
Does this make you feel gay (if you aren’t)?
No, it doesn’t make me feel gay-
Will you give yourself sixty-nine?
I would probably try this. It’s not so different from masturbating.
Will you schmoykus yourself (as best you can)?
I draw the line here -
Will you make-out with yourself?
And here
Will you respect yourself in the morning?
yes
Will you ask yourself to get married?
no. that would be a very lonely existence
Are You cheating on your mate if you’re with your actual replicated
self?
Nah, how can that be cheating?
Will you double-up on your mate?
now this would be his worst nightmare!
I find the whole idea disturbing on so many levels. I have nothing to say of any consequence except to indicate my total creepoutedness at this very moment.
I don’t think the possibility of the theory could happen ever, but for the purposes of the limitations on the test, my answers would be:
yup
nope
nope
nope
nope
nope
yup
nope
nope
yup
Who’s grading the papers? Who set up the scoring curve? Will there be a statistical analysis? Will there be a followup test with open answer questions that can be text analyzed for the individual’s subconscious motivations?
Answer the following questions…
Do you find yourself attractive?
Yes; I would be drawn to her.
Are you shy about approaching yourself?
Absolutely not.
Does this make you feel gay (if you aren’t)?
Not at all.
Will you give yourself sixty-nine?
Yes; it’s really no different than masturbating.
Will you schmoykus yourself (as best you can)?
Probably not.
Will you make-out with yourself?
Yes; it’s really no different than masturbating.
Will you respect yourself in the morning?
Yes.
Will you ask yourself to get married?
No
Are You cheating on your mate if you’re with your actual replicated self?
No
Will you double-up on your mate?
Oh hell, yes.
*Straightening chairs is like coloring in the lines. I don’t do it.*
Do you find yourself attractive?
I’m not sure. I don’t find myself unattractive.
Are you shy about approaching yourself?
Not at all. I think I know myself and my limits well, and am quite comfrotable with myself. It could give me the opportunity to try something I know I wouldn’t otherwise try.
Does this make you feel gay (if you aren’t)?
Not in the slightest
Will you give yourself sixty-nine?
Most likely I’d try it
Will you schmoykus yourself (as best you can)?
I doubt it.
Will you make-out with yourself?
probably not
Will you respect yourself in the morning?
Most assuredly yes.
Will you ask yourself to get married?
No
Are You cheating on your mate if you’re with your actual replicated
self?
I don’t think that is possible.
Will you double-up on your mate?
If that would please her, then most likely yes.
no–I like guys too much to want to experiment–even with myself.
(checkered quickly signs her paper with some flourish.)
i am assuming I can go now? even if i don’t make the grade?
I think sweetness would find sweetness VERY attractive. But sweetness is very selfish in bed. Which is fine with a guy that doesn’t mind being used, but in this case, one of the sweetnesses would be very unsatisfied.
trebleclef
~Do you find yourself attractive?
Does a bear shit in the woods?
~Are you shy about approaching yourself?
I wouldn’t classify myself as shy in any event.
~Does this make you feel gay (if you aren’t)?
Why? I haven’t done anything yet!
~Will you give yourself sixty-nine?
No, I would give myself a hug, though.
~Will you schmoykus yourself (as best you can)?
No, but we could bake a nice chocolate peanutbutter cake together.
~Will you make-out with yourself?
No, but we could go rock-climbing.
~Will you respect yourself in the morning?
Absolutely! I make great cake.
~Will you ask yourself to get married?
Nah, I would annoy myself.
~Are You cheating on your mate if you’re with your actual replicated
self?
No, I haven’t done anything that might be construed as cheating.
~Will you double-up on your mate?
No, I don’t share.
Do you find yourself attractive?
I think she’s smoking
Are you shy about approaching yourself?
Hmm…should I? Nahh…She’s me!
Does this make you feel gay (if you aren’t)?
Nahh….dun think so. It’s like playing with myself, no?
Will you give yourself sixty-nine?
I will if she initiates :/
Will you schmoykus yourself (as best you can)?
And how do I do that?
Will you make-out with yourself?
Yeah, she’s a great kisser
Will you respect yourself in the morning?
Maybe not. It’s kinda lame to have sex with your replica.
Will you ask yourself to get married?
Nooo….are you crazy? I can’t marry ME!
Are You cheating on your mate if you’re with your actual replicated self?
Nope.
Will you double-up on your mate?
Hell, I will. I think he’d love that
So mOOner, what’s my grade? Did I pass?
Cheers
Do you find yourself attractive?=>well, uh, not unattractive, I mean, I don’t think I’m ugly.
Are you shy about approaching yourself?=>In what way? To say hello, no, as a come on?…..ahh…no.
Does this make you feel gay (if you aren’t)?=>Since I won’t do it…why feel gay?
Will you schmoykus yourself (as best you can)?=> Aren’t some of us doing that to ourselves already? Haven’t we all done that at one time or another? oh wait…ahh..no.
Will you make-out with yourself?=>…no
Will you respect yourself in the morning?=>
I respect myself all day long not just in the morning.
Will you ask yourself to get married?=> You are all you got. Isn’t that sort of a marriage already? People with multiple personalities are…..ahhh…let’s not go there.
Are You cheating on your mate if you’re with your actual replicated self?=> Well not really but then again…what do I know? I wouldn’t do it.
Will you double-up on your mate?=> If I did…wouldn’t that be like doubling her pleasure doubling her fun?
Hey wait a minute….are these trick questions?
Eeeeuuuuu!!! Wait, hmmmmm? Eeeeeeuuuu!!! Sorry, I just could not go for your cloning methods. I have cloned a female version of myself. Same height: we see eye-to-eye. Dark hair, but more of it: oh my god. We will see you later …. much later. Finally, a woman that can keep up with me.
i think i’d be afraid to approach me, the other me might reject myself hmmmmm
i’m so in denial
This experiment would give a new meaning to the expression: “Go f**K yourself!”
i think I would let myself give me head but I wouldn’t give myself head or schmoykus myself. But since i wouldn’t give myself head, I doubt myself would give me head since he would feel the same way I do about it. so I guess nothing would happen. we are both good looking guys though so we would probably end up going out and he would be my wing man.
No, thanks…..
I already know everything about myself …why wasting time?
I prefer go hunting for new sensations, meeting new people.
Oh, and something I forgot to ask…
Once I replicate myself…identical to the last detail and memory…
How will I be able to tell myself apart from me?
How will I know who the real me is?
When I charge something…who pays? Me? or Me?
When asked who did it…do we point the finger at each other and say We, Me, or I ?
If ” We ” get into an argument are we going to need an “I”
to be the referree if no one is available ?
I…no…We…see an identity crisis looming up ahead…!
I finally read this blog, and some comments also…
*me patting myself*…
Actually my natural curiousity is going to kill me one of these days…with laughter only…
OK sweetheart thinking logically…
Your other self would have the same DNA as you…
So isnt this incest??
So isnt that kind of illegal??
You in a way are asking about people’s opinion on incest??
Rather you are giving out a paper on INCEST…
Wow…
Yeah dont need to tell me that I am not your favourite student…its kind of ole story…
Salaam
HELL YES
fukking myself would be the next best thing to fukking angelina jolie. if i had a partner he’d be welcome to join. if i didn’t have a partner at the time, i’d just call my mOOndOggie. i’m sure he’d know what to do, he’s a smart guy
i’m not going to answer all the detailed kinky questions bc once you really get going, what’s the point in holding back in doing anything, yes? i will say though that it would take many months, if not years, to be able to propose to myself. that would have to be left off the table for the time being
1. SOMEWHAT, YES.
2. NO, ITS GONNA BE A FIGHT FOR TOP AND BOTTOM
3. I RATHER INTUBATE IT
4. DAMN STRAIGHT I WOULD BE FIST CITY UP ITS REAR SCREAMING MARINE CORPS MILITARY POLICE BUCK BUD
5. REMAKE POST BREAK, I LIKE TO KEEP IT COCKED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE
6. THERE ARE NO CLOCKS OR WINDOWS ALLOWED IN THIS PRISON, 24/7 INMATE DETAINMENT
7. YOU DONT MARRY PROPERTY.
8. YOU BET, ALWAYS READY TO EXPERIMENT SIR
9. SIR, YES SIR, THANK YOU SIR FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE A SERVICE SIR.
Im still creeped out about this.
So what do I tell the eye doctor after I clone myself and ” we ” go for an appointment ? Hey doc….I’m seeing double !?!
It’d creep me out to do the experiment….I’d have to get drunk first and then God only knows what would happen….wait a minute…you’d also have to do again…meaning twice….to get the full perspective from the other ” me “….. what if the answers are different?….
If you have multiple personalities….how many times do you have to ” do ” yourself to complete the test ? Would cheating (copying) be allowed?
I think I see a nervous breakdown coming.
thats easy, DUH yessirindeedy. only to questions 1-11
No, i wouldn’t.
i’m attracted to people who are my physical opposite. who complement me. variation is exciting.
i wouldn’t consider it cheating. more masturbating. but the temptation wouldn’t be there.
moon I thikn your ace!! your posts have the geniusnes of einstein..
can this replica of ourselves…be the opposite sex version of ourselves? like, if i was male..i’d look like this??
if so, yes, I would experiment with my male self (maybe….) lol xxxx
O
But this is about YOU on YOU destiny – (and TY for such nice words BTW)
Here are my thoughts on the ways you might answer the questions, and what they might indicate. Feel free (as if you needed an invitation) to enlighten us on more interpretations…
Do you find yourself attractive?
Yes: high self-esteem
No: low self-esteem
Ambivalent: avoids introspection
Are you shy about approaching yourself?
Yes: practices denial heavily
No: faces shortcomings squarely
Ambivalent: avoids introspection
Does this make you feel gay (if you aren’t)?
Yes: you’re straight
No: you’re bisexual
Ambivalent: you’re gay
Will you give yourself sixty-nine?
Yes: masturbates a lot
No: masturbates little if ever
Ambivalent: would love to masturbate more but feels guilty
Will you schmoykus yourself (as best you can)?
Yes: you accept homosexuality on an intellectual level
No: you have real body issues
Ambivalent: you are an experimenter who’ll try a lot of things
at least once
Will you make-out with yourself?
Yes: you have completely accepted absolutely everything about you
No: there are parts of yourself you’d rather not deal with directly and won’t…no problem (for now)
Ambivalent: if you’re in the right frame of mind you’ll face your
own shortcomings – when brought up by others – maturely, but that’s not often
Will you respect yourself in the morning?
Yes: there are no rules for you as far as you’re concerned
No: you have incorporated the guilt heaped upon you by others
Ambivalent: you’re an opportunist who’ll take what they can
get away with
Will you ask yourself to get married?
Yes: ego alarm goes off
No: you’re a individualist
Ambivalent: you wish you knew yourself better but are afraid to
Are You cheating on your mate if you’re with your actual replicated self?
Yes: you consider your mate the jealous, controlling type
No: you think of your mate as open-minded and loving
Ambivalent: you’d really like to cheat on your mate and already do on some levels.
Will you double-up on your mate?
Yes: sense of self is strong
No: sense of self is weak
Ambivalent: identity crisis looming
Now I am NOT judging anyone individually, these are just my
early ideas, not science. What do you think?
O
I think that having myself as a wing man would be a great night on the town. How could they say no. Find myself attractive, yes. Any guy that can’t call another man a stud is insecure. The question on being shy about approaching myself is a good one. I wouldn’t be ashamed to find myself hot, but I would know the boundary, and would know that my other self would respect the boundary too. I think it interesting that someone would be more willing to go down on thyself rather than kiss thyself.
For the record… all you women have it easy in the sixty-nine department, at least when it comes down to the logistics of it all. Every guys cock works the same way. Sure you all have your special techniques, but at the end of the day, we all have a five year old in our pants. On the other hand. Going down on a new babe for the first time is like walking into a room with a bunch of pulleys, levers and doodads. Whistles and bells going off with lights. There is no universal manual or training on how to fly this thing. At some point you just gotta start pulling levers, and seeing what lights go off. Like looking under the hood of a french car. There is no way of knowing where everything is until you get your hands dirty, and start pulling off parts. Now how are we gunna get this thing back together, now that I found the battery?
Back to my point. Self falashing. Dose it make you feel gay? Ashamed of going down on myself, hell no. Don’t we all wish we were missing a couple ribs. Would I feel gay? Maybe if I was able to get off. If a girl is gunna get me off; she has to 1: be really good at it, and really into it, or 2: look really cute doing it. Giving thyself head doesn’t fit into either category. At some point your gunna have to say… you can stop now, or maybe he(I) would know that, and avoid that awkward moment all together. As for you ladies, have at the. You are the only one that has the manual to the flight controls. After all, you’ve logged more hours in simulation than anyone else… But kissing thyself is a interesting proposition. Many have missed the spiritual aspect of this. Kissing causes an immediate change in aura and karmic vibration. Both partners sync up in a way. Their spirits are combined in that moment. Being able to connect with yourself in this way would be a trip. For me, this would be the only acceptable way to make out with a guy, without having the morning after… what the schmoykus was I thinking.
The question of fucking thyself at first is a bit repulsive. But how many times can I give myself a high-five over a girl that I(we) just picked up from the club, without at some point asking thyself… why not just stay in tonight and go sailing? JK… I think
mOOnplatOOn keep this shit coming… genius at tearing down social constructs… via “thought experiments within”
Love, Balance, and always Gratitude
I think that even if this experiment could turn out the female version of myself….I think it’d be one ugly broad man….with a face that could stop a clock …and if she could stop a clock I’d have to turn her into a super villain and go out and conquer the world.
Do you find yourself attractive?
YES
Are you shy about approaching yourself?
NO!
Does this make you feel gay (if you aren’t)?
Nope
Will you give yourself sixty-nine?
Yeps
Will you schmoykus yourself (as best you can)?
Oh yes.
Will you make-out with yourself?
Yes
Will you respect yourself in the morning?
yes
Will you ask yourself to get married?
Yeaa
Are You cheating on your mate if you’re with your actual replicated
self?
Nah, how can that be cheating?
Will you double-up on your mate?
Sure why not
i’ll just say the same here as i write on any school related quiz/test
-Your not paying me engouth to answer that-
… no wonder i never got an education …
Neglecting to answer the questions, but had to say that the book/movie- to- be spoken of by Expendable (The Time Traveler’s Wife) has a scene similar to this somewhere in there. And I did once have a very strange dream also a bit similar, but decline details!
Would it just be a form of advanced masturbation?
Since you have no secrets from yourself, it would be
kind of confrontational, wouldn’t it? You assume I
would get along with myself, but I’m not so sure about
that…
I might start criticizing myself for my shortcomings when I
disappoint myself with my behavior. Watching myself as
others see me could be a turn-off because I would be
so upset over my imperfections.
I definitely would!!! Without hesitation, man! Talk about
knowing how to pleasure your partner!!
As far as the gay angle, I’m not into guys but being
my own self it is kind of beyond a gender issue, don’t
you think?
O
trebleclef – analysis:
AN ILLUSION OF HIGH SELF ESTEEM WITH THE ABILITY TO
FACE SHORTCOMINGS SQUARELY; COULD GO BISEXUAL;
MASTURBATES VERY LITTLE IF EVER. HAS BODY ISSUES.
HAS PARTS OF HERSELF SHE WON’T DEAL WITH DIRECTLY THAT POSE NO IMMEDIATE PROBLEM. HAS INCORPORATED THE GUILT HEAPED ON HER BY OTHERS. AN INDIVIDUALIST
WHO WOULD REALLY LIKE TO CHEAT ON HER MATE AND ALREADY DOES SO ON SOME LEVELS, HELD BACK BY AN OVERALL WEAK SENSE OF SELF.
Or not.
O
Kirkla – analysis:
SHE HAS HIGH SELF-ESTEEM AND FACES SHORTCOMINGS SQUARELY. COULD GO BISEXUAL. WOULD LOVE TO MASTURBATE MORE BUT FEELS GUILTY. IS AN EXPERIMENTER WHO’LL TRY LOTS OF THINGS AT LEAST ONCE. HAS A COMPLETE ACCEPTANCE OF ALMOST EVERYTHING ABOUT HERSELF. IS AN OPPORTUNIST WHO’LL TAKE WHATEVER SHE CAN GET AWAY WITH. AN INDIVIDUALIST WHO THINKS OF HER MATE AS OPEN-MINDED AND LOVING, SHE HAS A STRONG SENSE OF SELF.
Or not…
interesting scenario!
Do you find yourself attractive? Well, yes!
Are you shy about approaching yourself? No, but I’m probably not going to hit on myself either.
Does this make you feel gay (if you aren’t)? Since I’m not hitting on myself, no.
Will you give yourself sixty-nine? No, not into chicks.
Will you schmoykus yourself (as best you can)? nope
Will you make-out with yourself? maybe
Will you respect yourself in the morning? sure, I have great taste in women
Will you ask yourself to get married? I can’t, it’s not legal here.
Are You cheating on your mate if you’re with your actual replicated
self? no, no one to cheat on.
Will you double-up on your mate? again, no one to double up on
mOOnie……i remember that you already posted this questionnaire a while back, mon ami…..;-p
I didn’t answer that first time so now i will…
Do you find yourself attractive? Yes, I find ME very exotically attractive.
Are you shy about approaching yourself? Not at all…..i know very well what ME likes to hear……
Does this make you feel gay (if you aren’t)? Who cares?
Will you give yourself sixty-nine? In love all is good at the right moment.
Will you schmoykus yourself (as best you can)? Same as above.
Will you make-out with yourself? Absolutely. ME is quite sexy, let me tell you…
Will you respect yourself in the morning? What kind of question is this one? No is not even an option.
Will you ask yourself to get married? Uhmmm… I am not sure about a second marriage….
Are You cheating on your mate if you’re with your actual replicated
self? Since i am with Myself yes, i would cheat her with ME, i am afraid.
Will you double-up on your mate? You mean, Myself and ME and my mate? It would always be me so why not?……..;-p
O
desdemona ANALYSIS:
Do you find yourself attractive?
Yes. I would be drawn to her.
Yes: high self-esteem
Are you shy about approaching yourself?
No. I know her very well.
No: faces shortcomings squarely
Does this make you feel gay (if you aren’t)?
No, it doesn’t make me feel gay-
No: you’re bisexual
Will you give yourself sixty-nine?
I would probably try this. It’s not so different from masturbating.
Yes: masturbates a lot
Will you schmoykus yourself (as best you can)?
I draw the line here -
No: you have real body issues
Will you make-out with yourself?
And here
No: there are parts of yourself you’d rather not deal with directly and won’t…no problem (for now)
Will you respect yourself in the morning?
yes
Yes: there are no rules for you as far as you’re concerned
Will you ask yourself to get married?
no. that would be a very lonely existence
No: you’re a individualist
Are You cheating on your mate if you’re with your actual replicated self?
Nah, how can that be cheating?
No: you think of your mate as open-minded and loving
Will you double-up on your mate?
now this would be his worst nightmare!
No: sense of self is weak
Or…not?
when i was a girl, we’d have sleepovers…a bunch of girls sitting around in pajamas – giggling, eating pizza and slugging diet cokes…
Invariably, someone would bring the latest Cosmo issue and we’d all take the survey.
After, we’d trade answers, and someone else would add up our score, and then read aloud to the group what that score meant about us. Then we’d spend the next few hours trying to figure out what great mystery had been revealed to us.
I feel like i’m at a cyber sleepover….and i’m trying to envision mOOn in his pj’s
OMG….I’M BI???
SHE HAS HIGH SELF-ESTEEM AND FACES SHORTCOMINGS SQUARELY. COULD GO BISEXUAL. WOULD LOVE TO MASTURBATE MORE BUT FEELS GUILTY. IS AN EXPERIMENTER WHO’LL TRY LOTS OF THINGS AT LEAST ONCE. HAS A COMPLETE ACCEPTANCE OF ALMOST EVERYTHING ABOUT HERSELF. IS AN OPPORTUNIST WHO’LL TAKE WHATEVER SHE CAN GET AWAY WITH. AN INDIVIDUALIST WHO THINKS OF HER MATE AS OPEN-MINDED AND LOVING, SHE HAS A STRONG SENSE OF SELF.
Good one, mOOn New self-analysis to think about.
Cheers!
O
mOOn to StoneMaster:
Once I replicate myself…identical to the last detail and memory…
How will I be able to tell myself apart from me?
YOU’RE THE ONE WITH THE CONFUSED LOOK ON YOUR
FACE
How will I know who the real me is?
IT’LL BE THE ONE WITH THE I.D.
When I charge something…who pays? Me? or Me?
THE ONE WITH THE JOB – UNLESS YOUR BOSS
ACTUALLY NEEDS TWO OF YOU
When asked who did it…do we point the finger at each other and say We, Me, or I ?
“HIM”
If ” We ” get into an argument are we going to need an “I”
to be the referree if no one is available ?
THAT MAKES NO SENSE. SINCE YOU ARE EXACTLY THE
SAME, YOU WILL BOTH REACH THE POINT OF
EXASPERATION AND WANT TO STOP ARGUING AT THE
SAME TIME. SINCE TRICKING YOURSELF MAY BE
IMPOSSIBLE, YOU’LL REALIZE THAT IT’S AN ARGUMENT
THAT YOU CAN’T LOSE.
O
O
GENERAL: I contend that bisexual urges are common in
heterosexuals, and that circumstances could confluence
toward threesomes leading into crossover sexuality
for a large percentage of straights.
What exactly do I mean? Not that straights WANT same
sex encounters, only that many of us could try them (at
least once) if things fell into place and we were enticed
by an attractive hetero partner to participate (the
motivation of course to nail that person).
And we’ve all had the disturbing jolt of being attracted
from behind to someone who turned out to be of the
gender/group we would NEVER date once we saw the
front.
What our socialization shudders at, our intellects rationalize
over if motivated.
If the experience is negative, it won’t be repeated. Nor
will it turn a heterosexual into a homosexual, since it is
not the behavior, but the inner motivation that defines
sexual preference.
O
mOOn, you masturbrainer….
I took your ol’ test (and I didn’t cheat by peeking) and I
scored myself as well as scored WITH myself…
Do you find yourself attractive?
Duh
Yes: high self-esteem
Are you shy about approaching yourself?
Nuh
No: faces shortcomings squarely
Does this make you feel gay (if you aren’t)?
Nuh
No: you’re bisexual
Will you give yourself sixty-nine?
The Best!!!
Yes: masturbates a lot
Will you schmoykus yourself (as best you can)?
Thoroughly
Yes: you accept homosexuality on an intellectual level
Will you make-out with yourself?
Hmmmm. A little, just to see…but not a lot.
Ambivalent: if you’re in the right frame of mind you’ll face your
own shortcomings – when brought up by others – maturely, but that’s not often
Will you respect yourself in the morning?
After confession on Sunday I will. Guilt meanwhile.
Ambivalent: you’re an opportunist who’ll take what they can
get away with
Will you ask yourself to get married?
Can’t see any reason for that.
No: you’re a individualist
Are You cheating on your mate if you’re with your actual replicated self?
I’m cheating on the world if I’m with me. Who else will
match me in sensitivity and self-gratifying performance? I’m
spoiling me for anyone else!!!
Yes: you consider your mate the jealous, controlling type
Will you double-up on your mate?
Rather I should have my mate and my dup double-up
on moi
Ambivalent: identity crisis looming
Not so sure about that last one, but my last mate (ex) was
very controlling…
I would have such an orgasm…
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O
BTW sweetness – I have timed both male and female orgasms and have
found them to be of generally the same length of time
and climax arc. The female is often more vocal as
tension builds, but the orgasmic burst itself seems to
match that of the male…approximately a 20-second
experience from onset to dispersal…
Intensity can vary immensely. When the male achieves
more than one orgasm in the love-making session, the
second orgasm tends to be more intense.
I have to go now…
O
Hey mOOn, there are those special moments where a female orgasm lasts much longer….I’d like to know what that feels like. This is the right post to talk about strange sexual things right? I find myself attractive, in a man way. I would go down on me, but I think only because its me, I would like a hottie and her clone to go down on me even more. I would kiss me because I want to improve again, I would take me in the be-after, but only if its me. I would marry me, and I would like to give my mate the experience of double me.
If the mood is right we’d just head to bar/pub and pick up a gal. (possibly two)
That would if you ask me I answer all questions.
Voltaire
O
….imagining everything attached to ginger’s lips….
O
Doubt I would schmoykus myself, make out or give myself sixty-nine. I would most likely spend a lot of time climbing and biking, same as usual.
O
But…but…I thought you were sick and twisted?
O
O
I believe that the female build-up to orgasm is a noisier experience with probable sensitivity to the encroaching climax heightened, but that the actual climax itself is almost identical to the beginning/middle/end experienced by a majority(?) of men. This is based upon observation outside of participation in a study of 5 female orgasms, ages ranging from 26 to 48 (precisely, 32, 39). I hope to continue this objective comparison, but not for scientific purposes
There seems to be an average of 10 passion grunts with the first three sounding surprised, the next four animal-like intensity, the last three subsidiary with a series of satisfied moans muttered. The decibel level varies widely by individual.
O
i’m very happy that something is unique to the individual..
do you think that the reactions are the same during masturbation? I’m usually a quiet masturbator, but that could just be me.
O
I haven’t been able to gain objective information on masturbation. However, I will call for volunteers. You will have to set up a hidden cam, record sessions for 3 months and send in the tapes for an analysis of averages, since you will be self-consciously performing during most, if not all, of these events.
Or I can just use the feed from the bathroom cams.
O
Well, i’m glad to know my girlfriend wasn’t included in the study group……she makes very little sound during orgasms, but she does move around a lot.
O
raul -
Incest?
You cannot be two members of your own family can you?
There may be two of you, but you’re the same schmuck
as far as Uncle Biff is concerned…not even twins, where
one might be good and the other evil.
Rather it is a psychological approach to how your own
inner dialogue is conducted, disguised as smut.
O
mOOn, that analysis sucked. It makes me sound like a loser. Thanks.
Oh, btw, I masturbate plenty! So there. *sticks out tongue*
You took it in the wrong way…
Its not my fault that your term paper scared me…you scare me most of the time…
I am also human…
And it sounds like incest, technically it is incest…
You start a theory and if it based on something which is taken as crime in the current society I think its wrong…
For once I also believe in this norm of society…
Next thing you would take a topic on drugs and write fancy words and justify something wrong because you were high…
Something like molestation, or rape…
Nay sorry I wont buy it…
Learn the basic fact that not everyone’s going to agree with you…
Learn to tolerate criticism…
And I can always hope for the better, especially in your case…
mOOn you start your cloning for self-interest…
Even if the self interest is sexual pleasure only…
Salaam
R
But this is a hypothetical question and I don’t think moon-poo meant for us to picture it as a real scenario. The other person is supposed to be you as well (whereas a clone wouldn’t actually be you, but just a genetic replica, or in any case, I think the whole thing would be consensual). If it was just a replica of me, I’m not as sure if I’d go through with anything or not.
Apparently I’m more of a deviant than I formerly thought. Oral sex? Yes, and yes. (At the same time.) Would it make me feel gay? You’d have to ask me afterwards. Would I still respect myself? Probably, but I don’t think I’d go blabbing it all over town. Make out with me? Might as well. Call me the next morning? I wouldn’t hold my breath.
I wouldn’t cheat on me with yet another me, but I might cheat on someone else with me.
Only if I could convince my other self to don a wig,
high heels and undergo electrolysis to remove the
burn of the 5 o’clock shadow…
Hey wait a minute….you have to grade yourself?
The fix is in !
Interesting experimental test mOOn. However, to take some of the answers seriously would require a discussion or two.
Like for instance: #1- I don’t consider myself unattractive, if that were a yes how come I’ve suffered from low self-esteem? For instance, I won’t apply for that job because I’ll never get it.(even though you have what it takes). It took years to conquer and still fighting it. Kinda general questions though ( I see…the answer is in ballpark figures )
awesome post….original…@least to me it was
i scored myself and its lookin ugly
not because i have a low self-image
i just think i can get in my own pants easier than finding a good guy that won’t schmoykus me over…in a bad way that is
mind it i use the examination on a few of my friends?
i think it would bring up a lotta juicy shit on campus
O
I went to see the movie Moon last night, and after seeing a guy meet himself, I have reached the conclusion that my answer to the headline of this post is…
NO. I would not booty-call my own damn self.
O
Confessions Of A Time Traveling mOOn
Originally uploaded by steven_michael_games
On June 2, 2009 ABC-TV in America presented a two-hour science fiction docudrama showing an imaginary woman named Lucy living until 2100 A.D., with the world crumbling about her steadily.
It was all doom and gloom about the environment and global warming. According to the consulted experts, 2015 is the turning point. If we don’t do “something” by then, humanity’s debris will destroy our civilization and take a lot of species along with us into oblivion.
I guess they didn’t hear that the world is ending in 2012 (see Mayans).
Essentially, New York City will be flooded by 2071 or so, and America’s Southwest will be one big, ghost-region, waterless dessert. Vegas will be abandoned.
Traveling through America’s Southwest, according to the dramatization, will be a crude return to the lawless days of the wild west. And the Northeast, while somehow holding out as American Paradise the longest, finally succumbs to barbarism, or as ABC promotes it, a return to “The Dark Ages.”
Ever notice how, when the dilettante futurologist ponders more than a couple of decades into tomorrow, the future becomes the past? Wild wests and Dark Ages and, as Arthur C. Clarke would have put it, “a failure of imagination.”
Network wonks will argue that the purpose of the amateurish sci-fi presentation was to raise awareness of global warming and prompt international cooperation in curbing industrial causes. Okay, then why make it boring and monotoned? With minor adjustments, their entire future looks and feels exactly like our present. As if, in 1909, ABC Theatre Productions staged a play about the year 2000 where the climate had changed radically but everyone still rode around primarily in horse-drawn carriages.
I submit that we must expect both the unexpected (?) and the obvious (unmentioned), the obvious being War.
Would a 1909 speculator have assumed development of interplanetary rockets? Or equal rights for all citizens? Or the widespread use of X-rays? Or television? Radio? Punk music? Open candor about the love that cannot be spoken? Nuclear power? Female liberation?
Between now and 2100 many wild cards will be dealt. Some will help solve the very problems we see as insurmountable. Others will destroy many of us despite our best efforts. A few will do both.
Although, ABC contends that jets very similar to today’s will still be operating in 2080-something as Plan B to fog over the Earth and cause global cooling…
Meanwhile, in their little drama, the men-folk dropped like flies generation by generation, the prediction of widows heavy in the air. Why? Heroics. Women still like to stay close to safety zones during the life-threatening crisis, it seems.
I almost got mad at Lucy when she decided to have a kid herself. How dare she? Hadn’t she noticed that the planet was deteriorating rapidly? Didn’t she listen to her parents’ stories about how cool it was when they were kids compared to when even SHE was a kid? Was she crazy? It was like delivering a sane person into a madhouse.
My prediction: There is going to be a major war. It will wipe out about 3 billion people over a decade somewhere in the next 50 years. It will likely be centered in Western Asia and the Middle East but will violently touch every continent on Earth.
Deaths around the globe will be attributed to this war, and opportunities to rebuild and ecologize the infrastructure will abound.
Just wanted to mention it, because ABC forgot to. Along with the fusion battery. And the matter reconfigurer. And the enhancement-viruses. And personal inertia. And icon-love droids. And so on….
You know, collectively we’re going through a bit of a guilt phase. Let’s clean up our act, but knock off the fear factor. Dumb ass drama poorly executed comes off like mere propaganda. Honestly, who are we kidding? With modern knowledge we can see some of the inadvertent blockhead moves we made in the past – such as putting major cities in the paths of annual hurricane zones and potential flood sites – but instead of moving, we’re going to build a wall? Yeah, I want my baby and my wife behind a wall that holds Death back. Home sweet home.
Knowing how dangerous some of the places are where we choose to live, and seeing the still-available acreage that is yet unused, maybe a long-term moving plan is also a practical idea.
I understand some land is opening up on Greenland and there may soon be some exposure in Antarctica.
I hope you enjoy the discussion on Time Travel below…it’s pretty boggling.
— Steve Games